RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 11:54 pm
(This post was last modified: March 22, 2019 at 12:08 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 21, 2019 at 11:42 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(March 21, 2019 at 11:35 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You're out of your gourd. Empirical physics answers why questions with regularity. Why does a ball roll downhill?
100% of questions science has answered are those which can be answered with observations made about entities and events within the space-time framework. 0% of the questions science has answered are about why such a framework exists rather than not.
Out of your gourd, again...but lets just pretend that this were true, so what? Its an argument from ignorance. It doesn't establish that there are metaphysical this or that's or immaterial this or that's, or even that science couldn;t answer some question.....simply asserts that "like, science doesn't know some stuff, man"
-and....?
Quote:I'm making no assertion right now except that science has not been demonstrated to be able to answer the question of cosmogony. I assert this because science is about observations, and I know that observation is limited to entities and events in space-time, and space-time isn't IN space-time any more than my house is in my house.You have made previous assertions that there are clearly metaphysical questions..but have failed to present a single example of anything that belongs n the metaphysical set. You assert that science has no provided evidence..an explicitly empirical assertion, that it can't answer "some types of questions"... can't...not hasn't, or hasn't yet. Can't....though, ofc, science does and has answered the types of questions you then invoked.
Quote:You will argue, no doubt, that science has answered gazillions of questions, but "hasn't answered this particular one YET." I will argue that those gazillions of questions are unlike this one, and that none of them stand as credible evidence that science can answer it.Nobody cares about a yet. Present a single example of a question unlike the questions it -has- answered. Why questions have been addressed and can be answered, even -if- some haven't been, yet...and even if some of them never are.
This is the usual nonsense. A fundamantal misunderstanding of empiricism and how that relates to the -method- of empirical investigation we call science, combined with an inability to present a single example of the metaphysical or immaterial. "Prove all the things!". Lazy, and beneath wrong. It comes as no suprise to anyone that science doesn't have answers for everything, it won;t surprise anytone if it never does. This isn't a simple comment on the ability or applicability of the method...because the user has to be fortuitously placed in order to use it to it's fullest extent. Thing is, no amount of attacking what science doesn;t know or what a given user can;t figure out from their vantage point will demonstrate those things important to the immaterial or the metaphysical.
Science not knowing things, or not answering questions, does not make the metaphysical or immaterial credible by default. That's not how that works.
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