RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 22, 2019 at 12:14 am
(This post was last modified: March 22, 2019 at 12:24 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 22, 2019 at 12:10 am)bennyboy Wrote:How would you know that? I'll wait.(March 21, 2019 at 11:54 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Out of your gourd, again...but lets just pretend that this were true, so what? Its an argument from ignorance. It doesn't establish that there are metaphysical this or that's or immaterial this or that's, or even that science couldn;t answer some question.....simply asserts that "like, science doesn't know some stuff, man"
-and....?
Who's trying to establish anything metaphysical? I'm saying that there are some questions science can't answer.
Quote:My assertion is a logical one: science is based on observation of things IN the space-time framework. The space-time framework is not in the space-time framework, and cannot be observed in that way.No, it isn't. That -where- we do science, not what science is based on. Science is based on strictly regimented empirical observation. Not a place of observation. A being "outside of the framework", to borrow the religious nutters favorite fantasy, could do science.
Quote:If you want to assert that science CAN answer the question of cosmogony, then you'll have to demonstrate that observations aren't intrinsically and irresolvably limited in a way that prevents us studying their parent framework. If you can't do that, then science BY DEFINITION is not the right tool for studying cosmogony.Preventing -us- and preventing empirical study are not equivalent. Tada.
Meanwhile, you have yet to present a single example of your claimed "clearly metaphysical" whatsits. It remains an empty set, even as science answers the kind of questions you hilariously assert that it's incapable of addressing, based on who knows how you would know that. Did you intuit it, or something?
Here I just have to put my foot down and straight up say that you;r talking out of your ass. Cosmogony -is- a branch of science, and it's been answering our questions in that regard better than anything else we've ever devised.
Out..of your gourd.
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