RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 22, 2019 at 1:34 pm
(This post was last modified: March 22, 2019 at 1:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Well...wait a minute....we'd already agreed on the issue of the manticore (it was a subtle end run, I'll admit it..... I make no apologies!, lol). No matter. Sure, the notion of intuition doesn't rule out false intuition (but I've got another one that does, for when we turn the heat up to eleventy), which is why it's the weakest non-empirical argument as I framed it.
Still, the existence of false intuitions doesn't rule out the existence of true intuitions..so in a meaningful sense, while it's a relevant criticism, it's a non-issue of concept. Having an experience can also be a "false experience". Yes, you experience it, but the contents of your experience are inaccurate with respect to their alleged referents. Presumably, deduction (in either case, intuition or experience), could help to separate the wheat from the chaff.
I'll also tip the hat to seeing pictures of a manticore, it may be the case that manticore knowledge is empirical knowledge based on pictures of manticores (or pictures of tails..whats a tail, right?)...but that's an easy problem to solve. Just replace every use of the word "manticore" with "beejatzulifren" and every use of the words "a tail" with "kenbanhindra" What are those things, you might ask? Doesn't matter. What you know, is that beejatzulifren have kenbanhindra, and that if a thing doesn't have kenbanhindra, it can't be beejatzulifren. This can't be empirical knowledge, you have no experience of either, no idea what I'm even talking about. It's stated as a truth by definition of concept. Like math, or, in some formulations, morality....or...gods.
Can we appeal to empirical data to show that sense experience is at least sometimes unreliable? Well...yeah. If we need to dive in on this one we can (say the word) but..I'm hoping that we can both agree that empirical data suggests that sense experience is not universally reliable. The whole point of science (for example) was to reduce this known vector of error in empirical analytics.
The intuitionist only needs to present a single example of some knowledge that is not empirical. Empiricism states that all x is y, intuitionism responds with some x that is not y, thus, sense experience may be the foundation of some knowledge or most knowledge or even a great way of verifying knowledge, but cannot be the foundation of knowledge.
Beyond all that, though, I want to ask. Are there notions that you consider true that are intuitive to you. When I describe this set, can you say with authenticity that all of the things you know are known by empirical means, and that you possess no true intuitions? I'm not going to ask you how you verify them, or ask you to prove them, or even what they are. I just wonder whether or not you possess them, or are aware of possessing any of them.
Still, the existence of false intuitions doesn't rule out the existence of true intuitions..so in a meaningful sense, while it's a relevant criticism, it's a non-issue of concept. Having an experience can also be a "false experience". Yes, you experience it, but the contents of your experience are inaccurate with respect to their alleged referents. Presumably, deduction (in either case, intuition or experience), could help to separate the wheat from the chaff.
I'll also tip the hat to seeing pictures of a manticore, it may be the case that manticore knowledge is empirical knowledge based on pictures of manticores (or pictures of tails..whats a tail, right?)...but that's an easy problem to solve. Just replace every use of the word "manticore" with "beejatzulifren" and every use of the words "a tail" with "kenbanhindra" What are those things, you might ask? Doesn't matter. What you know, is that beejatzulifren have kenbanhindra, and that if a thing doesn't have kenbanhindra, it can't be beejatzulifren. This can't be empirical knowledge, you have no experience of either, no idea what I'm even talking about. It's stated as a truth by definition of concept. Like math, or, in some formulations, morality....or...gods.
Can we appeal to empirical data to show that sense experience is at least sometimes unreliable? Well...yeah. If we need to dive in on this one we can (say the word) but..I'm hoping that we can both agree that empirical data suggests that sense experience is not universally reliable. The whole point of science (for example) was to reduce this known vector of error in empirical analytics.
The intuitionist only needs to present a single example of some knowledge that is not empirical. Empiricism states that all x is y, intuitionism responds with some x that is not y, thus, sense experience may be the foundation of some knowledge or most knowledge or even a great way of verifying knowledge, but cannot be the foundation of knowledge.
Beyond all that, though, I want to ask. Are there notions that you consider true that are intuitive to you. When I describe this set, can you say with authenticity that all of the things you know are known by empirical means, and that you possess no true intuitions? I'm not going to ask you how you verify them, or ask you to prove them, or even what they are. I just wonder whether or not you possess them, or are aware of possessing any of them.
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