RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 25, 2019 at 8:49 am
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2019 at 8:56 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 25, 2019 at 8:37 am)bennyboy Wrote:You may not be able to do something..that doesn't mean that it can't be done. Frankly, you're not thinking this through. You can already transfer the contents of your experience and even what it feels like to be you, albeit in a limited and crude way. You're using the tool right now. It's called language. It has a few billion years r/d headstart on us but it does provide proof of concept, that knowledge and experience are translatable and communicable.(March 25, 2019 at 8:28 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: If philosophic speculation and rational inference are, likewise, based on empiricism...then metaphysics is an empty set, and it's uncertain why the most succesful form of empirical investigation...the scientific method... would be an inappropriate tool for investigating the empirical.Because the scientific method as we normally mean it refers to a specific set of empirical observations-- those which are shareable and repeatable by others. I can follow my own train of thoughts. If I decide to somehow quantify or establish experimental controls, I can do a kind of science on myself. What I can't do, however, is provide access other than my own accounts to anyone else. If you are willing to regard meditative and introspective traditions (like those found in the less woo-ish branches of Tibetan Buddhist thought), then I will retract the statement that mind cannot be studied scientifically.
Even in that case, however, I do not believe that any description of psychogony can be said to be verifiably correct.
I'm not sure why you think this is a negotiation, my willingness to accept some vague assertion on your part doesn't have any effect on whether or not what I'm saying, or what you're saying, is true. It's a bit left field anyway, sine meditation and introspection appear to be yet more examples of empirical observation. I don;t have any particular issue with the notion that thinking real hard about yourself might lead you to knowledge of self..though I wonder how it could lead to knowledge of exterior content - which is a claim made, or how it could provide abnormal ability, another claim made...both of which have been investigated by another empirical means, and found to be, lacking..to put it generously.
Quote:Reassertion of the contents of your disagreement, followed by a completely unhinged statement.Quote:Again, minutiae, and you're just telling us that you disagree with scientific hypotheses or the ability to establish a theory, it;s not accurate to consider either subject a black box for science..they just aren't.Sure they are. You cannot identify with any certainty what material systems or processes allow for subjective experience. There is no such thing as mind to be found in the Universe, except in the form of anecdotal reports.
Quote:As for the Big Bang-- the only reason the Big Bang would not be said to be a black box is that a black box has inputs and outputs. It is an observer's job to infer the mechanism by which the input is transformed into the output. Obviously, this is impossible in the case of the Big Bang.Why, and how would you know that?
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