RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order
August 22, 2019 at 5:46 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2019 at 6:36 pm by Acrobat.)
(August 22, 2019 at 4:14 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(August 22, 2019 at 3:58 pm)Acrobat Wrote: I’m fine with this, as long as we’re not about to defend solipsism. It’s through our senses, perceptions that we deduce things out there, outside of our mind, and things which are in here, as a state of mind, our feelings, etc. Such as we can deduce that goodness of last nights dinner, is state of mind, the pleasant taste of it, and that moral goodness isn’t like this, but more like yellow, out there instead.
I don't know to what extent we can treat morality as something out there; its mostly happening in here. Much like yellow, ironically enough. I think most of our moral intuitions, whether or not they align with something objective out there, share a lot of commonalities with the way we experience things such as taste. We have a "sense" of right and wrong a "feeling." We apply the concept of good and bad not just to behaviors but to everything else including food.
I think morality can be treated as objective by treating the contents of the mind as tangible as any other object. But that means placing morality in here, not out there.
Good and bad when it comes to morality are perceived and applied similarly to how we apply true and false, and not how we apply good and bad when speaking of food.
If this isn’t evident, we can all acknowledge when we talk about good or bad when it comes to food we’re ultimately expressing ours likes and dislikes, where hardly anyone here would agree that good and bad when it comes to morality are saying things reducible to their likes and dislikes.
Most people here would likely agree that when they express that the holocaust is wrong, they’re expressing something objectively true, like the earth isn’t flat, or 1+1=5, is wrong. Rather than an expression of the subjective taste or opinions, like x was a good movie.
In fact, even outside of their beliefs, morality operates similarly to objective truth as well, such as the Nazis had to delude and lie to themselves to view the holocaust as the right thing, the way in which people delude themselves into believing Sandyhook conspiracies. Something you couldnt say of someone who had a different taste in food or movies than you or I.
