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In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order
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RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order
(August 27, 2019 at 4:15 am)Belaqua Wrote:
(August 27, 2019 at 1:09 am)Objectivist Wrote: Some things and actions are bad, harm its life, and other things are good, further its life.  If it takes no action or the wrong action it dies.  If it takes the right action it lives.  

Is it possible to think of an action I could take, which would result in my death, which would be moral? 

What you're saying here, at first glance, seems to say no... that anything I did to end my life would be bad by definition. But maybe I'm not seeing the nuances yet.

Quote:Did the allies have the moral right to use force against the Nazi's? 

A hell of a lot of soldiers died to end the Holocaust. It was pretty directly harmful to their wellbeing, in that they got shot and died young. 

In what way, according to your system, was this moral? Is it possible that in certain cases, good actions lead to the death of the person who does them?

Sure Belaqua, for instance, if you died defending your family from home invaders.  If you died going to war to defend your family and yourself from the takeover of an evil dictator like Hitler.  If you died trying to protect any value that you rationally determined was worth risking your life for.  As far as soldiers dying in war it is moral if it is voluntary.  The draft is unspeakably evil.  Remember that there was no guarantee that we were going to win that war.  Those soldiers who chose to join up to fight the Nazis and their allies were moral because if Hitler had won and taken over the world the results would have been disastrous for themselves and their families back home.  They weren't willing to live under a dictator and that is moral.  There are things worth risking one's life for.  What Objectivism would tell someone would be to think, think hard, think rationally, consider all the available facts
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In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 22, 2019 at 10:01 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 22, 2019 at 10:15 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 22, 2019 at 10:54 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by LastPoet - August 22, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by DLJ - August 22, 2019 at 11:23 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 22, 2019 at 12:10 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by DLJ - August 22, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 22, 2019 at 5:54 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by DLJ - August 22, 2019 at 7:42 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 22, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by DLJ - August 22, 2019 at 9:24 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by DLJ - August 22, 2019 at 9:14 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by DLJ - August 23, 2019 at 12:56 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by no one - August 22, 2019 at 11:38 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by brewer - August 22, 2019 at 11:42 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by no one - August 22, 2019 at 12:21 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 22, 2019 at 3:58 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 22, 2019 at 5:46 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 22, 2019 at 9:10 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by LastPoet - August 22, 2019 at 1:04 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Grandizer - August 25, 2019 at 10:16 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Amarok - August 22, 2019 at 4:16 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by chimp3 - August 22, 2019 at 9:33 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by DLJ - August 23, 2019 at 9:57 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 23, 2019 at 2:26 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 23, 2019 at 3:07 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 23, 2019 at 3:32 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by no one - August 25, 2019 at 11:53 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 25, 2019 at 12:19 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Belacqua - August 27, 2019 at 4:15 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Objectivist - August 27, 2019 at 8:32 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 27, 2019 at 8:52 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 28, 2019 at 8:44 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 28, 2019 at 10:37 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Objectivist - August 28, 2019 at 10:47 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by DLJ - August 27, 2019 at 3:14 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 28, 2019 at 6:51 am
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by Acrobat - August 29, 2019 at 1:13 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by DLJ - August 30, 2019 at 2:58 pm
RE: In Defense of a Non-Natural Moral Order - by LastPoet - August 30, 2019 at 3:02 pm

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