(September 15, 2019 at 3:18 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Well, there are quite a few arguments that can be made for the existence of soul. You need to understand that the question of whether a soul exists is different from the question whether there is a god. God is an incoherent concept in itself, because of the Omnipotence Paradox. Furthermore, it clearly contradicts what we observe because of the Problem of Evil. The same, however, can't be said for souls.
First of all, it's instinctual to think that a soul exist.
Instinctual? First of all, how do you quantify that something is "instinctual?" Secondly, who says it is instinctual? You? I don't think it is.
(September 15, 2019 at 3:18 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Nearly all the cultures around the world, even once that had little or no contact with us, came up with the ideas about souls and afterlives.
That a bunch of individuals completely ignorant to the concept of science or the scientific method all came up with a similar, nonsensical idea means nothing.
(September 15, 2019 at 3:18 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Sure, not every scholar of the ancient world believed in those things (the author of Ecclesiates explicitly denied that, when he or she said that dead people don't remember anything, and so did probably John, when he put into Jesus'es mouth that nobody has ever been to heaven), but it's quite clear the vast majority of people did (First Book of Samuel describes a witch which talks to a spirit of the deceased Samuel, Matthew said Apostles thought they were seeing a ghost when Jesus walked on water, Matthew put into Jesus'es mouth that people in heaven will be like angels, John said the Jews commented on Jesus'es speech "Will he kill himself? Is that what 'I will go where you cannot go.' means?", and even Odyssey, probably older than anything in the Bible, describes spirits in the underworld.). So, if you are going to claim something that goes against our instincts, you are making an assumption that our instincts are wrong, so perhaps the burden of proof is on you.
That a majority of people may or may not believe in an idea which has no evidence behind it doesn't shift the burden of proof. I don't have to disprove the existence of a soul any more than I have to disprove the existence of the Sasquatch.
(September 15, 2019 at 3:18 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: And, today, quite a few people have been brought back to life, and they tell us about NDEs. And some of those stories are really fascinating. Recently, in Book (a Croatian right-wing newspaper), there was a story about a man who saw, in his NDE, a child trapped in a building ruined by fire. And when he woke up and got better, he and a few of his friends went on to find that child. And they found him. You can say there is not enough evidence of that story, but so too is there very little evidence of the claim that people who have the middle of their brain damaged have different personalities governing halves of their bodies.
Providing one anecdotal story about a man who, supposedly, according to you, had some hallucination that coordinated with something that actually happened (a coincidence) means absolutely nothing.
I really don't think you understand how critical thinking or the scientific method works.
(September 15, 2019 at 4:29 am)Belaqua Wrote: As always, this is true of the Sunday school version of God. Many Christians believe in this type.
It is not true of the God of Aquinas, Spinoza, etc. etc. etc.
It makes sense to argue against people whose understanding stopped at Sunday school. It is a straw man to pretend that's all there is.
You always reference this "Sunday-school god" as some silly idea that no rational person could possibly believe in. But you're wholly and patently wrong. End of story. Hundreds of millions of people believe in this god in the United States, and beyond. So what exactly is your point here?
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.