(January 31, 2020 at 11:01 pm)adey67 Wrote:Nice to meet you as well. Abstract thinking is a fundamental part to scientific inquiry. A lot of our reasons for inquiry into scientific areas come from a societal philosophy. I think we can at least both agree that we look forward to discovering more about the mind and consciousness through AI and technology.
(February 1, 2020 at 3:43 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:Granted that your definition of pain is only one dimensional I'll agree that feeling physical pain requires nerves. Also your definition of "actual data" isn't in line with psychological continuity theories on personalities. As with body dysmorphic disorders. What we image can have a real effect because it does load "actual data" into what and who we perceive ourselves, others and things to be.
(February 1, 2020 at 4:09 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:
I rarely know how to classify myself in the wide range of potential beliefs, so I greatly appreciate the moral realist label, for whatever that's worth. You may be arguing for whether a soul is real or not, but I clearly laid out in the beginning I could not meet the materialist definitions of "real" and was actually speaking about which theory were a better solution. Many people here try and press the sufficient reason that everything can be explained. Indeed consciousness, souls, aliens, and God all might one day be explained. I consider a soul an epistemical brute fact I suppose, so probably DOA for you. I guess an alternate stance some have is that we are a soul, rather than we have a soul. I am of the belief that we are a soul. That the physiological continuum that defined you at 3 and now at 30 is based on multiple inputs. Some are metaphysical, physical... I just believe that another input is spiritual. I believe that soul exists and informs the spirit (as it informs our soul), which returns to God after mortal life ends. The Spirit (Holy Spirit) in us, is not the same as the soul. A thought is not the same as a brain state. An identity is not the sum of only all of the physical inputs to a brain. We seems to have the ability to choose our course and our attention so we are not only deterministic. I'm not attempting to wax poetically, Gae. I'm just attempting to prove a conversation is possible and that a conclusion not likely. I do appreciate out conversations though.
To answer your question. I feel I have a soul when I experience cognitive dissonance and something informs the me (now) that something needs balancing. I feel I have a soul when a Spiritual or societal moral input conflicts with my personal morality (now). I feel I have a soul when something informs my intuition (now) that something is happening or needs to happen that I would have no insight over. etc...
(February 2, 2020 at 2:42 am)EgoDeath Wrote:
I'll just answer your questions as best I can then, and leave the other shit out there:
What is a soul made of, physically? I don't know what an incorporeal thing would be "made of", perhaps something non-baryonic.
How do we observe the soul, objectively? I would assume through phenomenology, but that rests on your definition of objective.
How did you discover this method of observation? See above
Did you follow the scientific method in discovering and defining what the soul is? No. Most people are just experiential in their day-to-day, as am I.
Furthermore, how, exactly, does the soul work, specifically? see above and previous posts.
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