RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 10, 2019 at 10:16 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2019 at 10:24 am by R00tKiT.)
(December 10, 2019 at 7:19 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Oh? I thought my definition, and even an example, were anything but vague and quite cogent.
Zeus and Odin most definately 'tried to reach' their followers. There are many an epic tale depicting just such things/events.
Why should your assertion of 'Omnipotence' be heeded?
What about the concept of 'Omnipotence' makes it even a viable thing?
Cheers.
It's not the definition that is vague, it's the huge set of possible gods that match it. Once the properties become loose and unprecise it's safe to say the existence of gods with these properties becomes unknowable.
(December 10, 2019 at 8:45 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: There have been mortal gods, none answer the question of infinite regress, IDK why you expect them to deal with injustice, and only a few create afterlives.
You're just describing the way that you like gods to be. It's not surprising that you end up believing in the kind of god you prefer.
As I said mortal or non omnipotent gods existence is unknowable. Omnipotence and such absolute attributes are what allows acceptable logical deductions to make sense of our existence.
But again the main object of inquiry remains scripture.
(December 10, 2019 at 10:08 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I'm interested in whether the version of Allah the OP believes in has perfect and complete omniscience. I've run across the idea among Muslims that Allah does not know absolutely everything, that he chooses to limit his omniscience in order to allow for free will, but can know anything he wants to know. If Allah is not omniscient but 'superniscient', his knowledge becomes a part of his omniscience, he knows everything that he wants to know, and the paradox of having free will in the company of omniscience and omnipotence is resolved.
I am familiar with this idea too but I definitely don't agree with it. It is artificial and not needed at all. It is conceivable that an omniscient God knows what creatures will do with their free will. Knowledge does not imply coercion.
It's just an improvement over watching a replay of a football match, if we suppose you know in advance the minute a goal was scored, it's just you knowing something. You didn't intervene in any way.
