(December 11, 2019 at 6:35 pm)maxolla Wrote:Sure, You can believe whatever you like.(December 11, 2019 at 5:57 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Really? I was going to list a bucket of Messiah figures from the period, but decided to leave it at just one for now. The Levant at the time was a hotbed of wandering Jewish Rabbi's. They were ten-a-penny.
Yet you are here arguing for the historicity of jesus because somehow you DO have time for that load of crap.
Mo and the handhi bhendhi ghandi are documented figures. Jesus is not.
Sorry, no dodging allowed. He who makes an affirmative claim bears the burden of proof for said claim. I actually making an affirmative claim. I do not believe in any god/gods, nor any prophets, messiahs, jesuses, or any of it. Thgus I bear the burden of proof for that affirmative claim. What evidence have I? Well, I do not believe in any god/gods, nor any prophets, messiahs, jesuses, or any of it. My burden is met in full. Now how about YOUR burden of proof for YOUR claims?
That is not atheism. Atheism claims to NOT believe in any god. I am perfectly comfortable to agree that it is possible that somehow there MIGHT be a god, but nobody has yet demonstrated that there IS a god, despite thousands of claimed gods. Not a single one has been demonstrated to exist ever. Not once in the entirety of human history.
Look at your own god. If you could demonstrate it to be real, then I would accept the evidence. But you cannot. Because you have none.
You do know that it was, at that time, a largely orally transmitted superstition, right? Are you suggesting that in the time of Mo, people never told stories? Really?
Ask yourself when was the koran first written.
Sorry, no dodging allowed. He who makes an affirmative claim bears the burden of proof for said claim. I actually making an affirmative claim. I do not believe in any god/gods, nor any prophets, messiahs, jesuses, or any of it. Thgus I bear the burden of proof for that affirmative claim. What evidence have I? Well, I do not believe in any god/gods, nor any prophets, messiahs, jesuses, or any of it. My burden is met in full. Now how about YOUR burden of proof for YOUR claims?
My proof is I believe that Jesus existed and exists based on the evidence I have seen.
But why do you believe it? Why should anyone else? Have you seen jesus? Perhaps in a fevered dream, but unless you have solid evidence, your imaginings are useless to anyone else.
And didn't jesus supposedly die for our "sins"? Shouldn't jesus be dead now? Or is jesus alive? The living jesus? In which case, jesus didn't die at all. He was merely inconvenienced for a weekend for our sins. Not much of a sacrifice, is it? Particularly given that jesus is supposed to be god and knew from the get go that it would be temporary, and knew from the get go that he would not be dead at all. FFS, he is supposed to have spent that Easter weekend touring hell while his body was quietly cooling in a tomb that cannot be found. In fact even the gospels argue with each other about that very tomb.