Final debate between Ego-Death and Belaqua:
Both views are interesting and there are ideas I am agreeing on on both sides. So the debate itself is nice.
My addition to this debate could be this:
- There is bigotry in every religion and that’s why people hate religion in the first place.
Yet there is a difference between the original message of Jesus who accepted to peacefully die on the cross for what he believed in and the middle-age catholic church who sent hordes of murderers to kill and plunder other people “In the name of God”.
It’s simply too easy to manipulate people with religion. It is also too easy to put all the blame on religion. Let’s think about the modern catholic church who murdered native children in Canada until the 1990’s in order to assimilate them. Or on the same church who consciously hid pedophile priests from justice in order to maintain it’s own image in front of the general public.
So these are atrocities that exist in every religion.
My theory is that the Hijab is not such an atrocity. It’s a misinterpretation. That’s also a different thing. But one has to be aware of the fact that most of the Islamic world is ruled by monarchs, terrorists (I am talking only about Afghanistan), dictators, populist-“islamist” parties whose interests lie in the constant misinterpretation of the religion itself because it’s in their interest to have an ignorant, bestial, rustic, ignorant, uneducated, dogmatic, unchallenging and unquestioning population who will basically applaud what ever comes out of their mouth.
The Movie by Sacha Baron Cohen is not a simple farce (I know it’s not a farce living where I live).
I don’t know If one can say this to agnostic or atheist person while trying to remain politically correct but if you look at the core of many religions, you can find out that most of the ugliness come from human error, not from the book or the message itself. At least that’s my point of view.
Both views are interesting and there are ideas I am agreeing on on both sides. So the debate itself is nice.
My addition to this debate could be this:
- There is bigotry in every religion and that’s why people hate religion in the first place.
Yet there is a difference between the original message of Jesus who accepted to peacefully die on the cross for what he believed in and the middle-age catholic church who sent hordes of murderers to kill and plunder other people “In the name of God”.
It’s simply too easy to manipulate people with religion. It is also too easy to put all the blame on religion. Let’s think about the modern catholic church who murdered native children in Canada until the 1990’s in order to assimilate them. Or on the same church who consciously hid pedophile priests from justice in order to maintain it’s own image in front of the general public.
So these are atrocities that exist in every religion.
My theory is that the Hijab is not such an atrocity. It’s a misinterpretation. That’s also a different thing. But one has to be aware of the fact that most of the Islamic world is ruled by monarchs, terrorists (I am talking only about Afghanistan), dictators, populist-“islamist” parties whose interests lie in the constant misinterpretation of the religion itself because it’s in their interest to have an ignorant, bestial, rustic, ignorant, uneducated, dogmatic, unchallenging and unquestioning population who will basically applaud what ever comes out of their mouth.
The Movie by Sacha Baron Cohen is not a simple farce (I know it’s not a farce living where I live).
I don’t know If one can say this to agnostic or atheist person while trying to remain politically correct but if you look at the core of many religions, you can find out that most of the ugliness come from human error, not from the book or the message itself. At least that’s my point of view.
