Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

[Abaddon_ire]

Hey there,

Non religious people tend to overly use words without thinking about them, just like many religious people do, only in a much more dishonest manner.

Not a good sign, the generalisation is false, as is the wanton characterisation, and the lie. Fail.

Let's take the motto "I believe in science" for example,

Why? Nobody "believes in science". Science is a method not a faith. Science is the sole reason you can post this crap right here, right now. Want to reject the scientific method? Then you had better get of the internet, because that is a product of the science you apparently hate.

which is, for most skeptics, a euphemism for "I don't believe in anything any religion claims".

That has fuck all to do with skeptics. It is rather simple. Wanna make a claim? Go right ahead and provide your evidence. And you have failed in that task. Got evidence for whichever deity of your choice? Sure. Every skeptic and atheist would accept such evidence for whichever fucked up deity.

The problem is that none has been provided for any of the thousands of claimed deities.

Want me to believe in your particular flavour of deity? No problem. Provide evidence that it is real. And you cannot. This perpetual lack of evidence is not my problem. It is yours.

The latter declaration already contains a mistake since nobody exhausted all the religious claims and ensured that they're fake.

Not an atheists problem. It is the theist issue to demonstrate their claim of whichever claim they happen to make. Have you expended that effort disproving the god of Islam, Hindhuism, Sikhism Spiritualism, and so on through the countless thousands of claimed deities? Of course you haven't. Therefore we are forced to conclude that your deity is merely the same as Quetzalcaotl. Just another caliamed deity in a cornucopia of thousands of claimed deities, not one of which has any evidence.

Let's remember that atheists are perfectly fine with ruling out entire religions with guesswork and false stereotypes.

False. For obvious reasons. Should we rule out Heavens Gate? Yes or no. Why?

Fancy words like science, reason, etc. refer to a very simple idea : we struggle very hard to figure out how things work around us.

And why should we not? Should we throw up our hands in a fit of abject laziness and just state out front that goddit and give up? Which one? And how did you decide which one?

We invented mathematics

Nope. That's false.

and fancy abstract concepts for the sole purpose of getting our thoughts straight.

False.

When our mathematics became good enough we were finally able to have a better intuition of the universe.

False.

What should be kept in mind here is that we didn't create anything, we adapted to an a priori existence,

So fucked that you should stop smoking whatever it is.

all our attempts in science are a posteriori explanations that we try to fit to what we see around us.

Good grief. You really have no clue how science works.

It's easy to imagine a very clever alien figuring out our entire "glories" of science in a couple of hours, then coming with a working theory of everything in the next, but this very alien is clever enough not to mess with fundamentally different questions like a meaning of his existence , or disregard revelation without looking at it hard enough.

Sorry, but your random fantasy is not science.

So the purpose of science is attempts to figure out a posteriori how stuff works.

False.

Religion is about wondering why there is an a priori to discover in the first place.

False.

These are two entirely distinct compartments.

Correct. One is rational, justified, testable and repeatable. The other one is not.

Huge advancements in one don't negate the importance of the other.

Could you pray your posts on here? Of course not.

That's why people repeating the aforementioned motto are fundamentally dishonest, they equivocate and mix these two very different aspects of reality.

So far, only one of those can be demonstrated to be real. Sky fairies? Nope. Think otherwise? Go right ahead and demonstrate your particular flavour of sky fairy. You won't because you can't.

It's not hard to make a case that we will never access any kind of ultimate reality, we already know that we cannot ever predict a physical quanity of a particle with certainty [Uncertainty principle]. Yeah : predicting certainly anything about one particle anywhere in the universe is already inaccessible to us forever.

The honest answer of "I don't know" is not remotely equivalent to the claim that <insert deity of choice> did it all. It is an explanation for fuck all.

And let's not forget that it took us 1700+ years to prove pi is irrational.

But it took your magic book to determine Pi is three.

And some still say : I'm open minded about discovering God in the future .

Except that this is true. Provide evidence for whichever magic sky fairy is your particular crank and if it stands up, any atheist would believe it. But you have failed to even make the attempt.

The only honest position is actually to take one of the two extremes. Saying that you're open to science discovering god is a grave misunderstanding of both science and religion.

Possibly the dumbest sentence ever.