(February 17, 2020 at 2:36 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(February 17, 2020 at 1:32 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: However, there being only two options does not mean you have to select one as your position.
In the case of the existence of God. You do select an option. If you live as though God doesn't exist, that is, you're not following any religion or spirituality, then you practically did go for the second option [God doesn't exist]. I mean by God here the deity with the three-omni properties of course, and the just kind of deity.
My main point is that, if you sincerely exhausted all possible avenues looking for a just deity, then this deity surely doesn't exist. But then again it all comes down to exhausting all possible avenues.
(February 17, 2020 at 1:32 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: don't believe the 'no god' option is true either; but I personally assign it a high probability because I think it's more likely to be true.
Then you're not an agnostic. I am also curious to know how you reached this high probability of non existence.
(February 17, 2020 at 1:46 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But humans existed for tens of thousands of years before the Abrahamic god was so much as a gleam in a conman's eye. As a Muslim, don't you consider it unfair that Allah didn't reveal himself to Mohammed until the 7th century? This clearly makes Allah unjust (according to your claims, at least). Now, if you want to continue to claim that Allah is just, you've made the case that a god can reveal itself at any point and still exhibit justice. If (according to your claims, at least) Allah not revealing himself makes him unjust, because all of the millions of humans who lived before Mohammed got the revelation had no access to it, your entire argument vanishes in a puff of special pleading.
Boru
Islam considers God's existence as beyond doubt, and it was somewhat the case everywhere until the 17th century or so. According to our beliefs, Allah revealed a message to Muhammad, his existence was accepted even by Meccan pagans before the Islamic Prophet. The existence of God was not a matter of discussion in any Abrahamic religion.
I'm actually more concerned with your revelatory timeline than the existence of God. You said earlier that it would be unjust of God to reveal himself at some point in the future, because all of the people who lived and died before that time would not have been able to take part in the revelation. But everything is at some point in the future. If the revelation to Mohammed is God being just, why didn't he make the revelation to the very first humans, hundreds of thousands of years ago instead of waiting until the 7th century?
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson