RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 18, 2020 at 2:21 pm
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2020 at 2:25 pm by R00tKiT.)
(February 18, 2020 at 12:23 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Why give you one when I can give you entire schools of thought and all of their followers throughout time..across all of human civilization? You seem to be aware that I can do so. You knew better, but you decided to lie anyway.
Enjoy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...e_and_Rome
All you had to do was to open your own link and read, which you apparently didn't ;
Quote : "In medieval Islam, Muslim scholars recognized the idea of atheism and frequently attacked unbelievers, although they were unable to name any atheists".
Also, one should be aware of the nuance between the meaning of atheism back then, and the modern definition. The former referred to rejecting any of the core beliefs of Islam, for example not believing in Muhammad being sent from God was atheism.
The same link you provided explains that : "one notable figure being the ninth-century scholar Ibn al-Rawandi, who criticized the notion of religious prophecy, including that of Muhammad,"
Ibn-Rawandi is considered an atheist in Islamic literature, but not in the sense of rejecting any deity.
(February 18, 2020 at 12:23 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: -and still..none of this has anything to do with agnosticism. Agnostics are people telling you that they don't know whether or not a god exists. What, exactly, do you think they're lying about?
It's not that they're lying. They're not doing their homework hard enough.
(February 18, 2020 at 1:43 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(February 18, 2020 at 12:01 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Okay, name a genuine nonbeliever in any god, one, in Muhammad's era. I'll wait.Just the one? OK. Paramārtha.
One not enough now?
OK
Muhammad al Warraq, Ibn al-Rawandi, Al-Razi, Al-Maʿarri (he was fun)
5 not enough now? Want more?
I think I explicitly said : in Muhammad's era. None of these guys witnessed Muhammad. In any case, you our al-Warraq /al Rawandi guys rejected the prophecy, not God's existence per se. Atheism had a different meaning back then, you should look it up [Hint: it didn't mean not believing in God].
(February 18, 2020 at 1:43 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Can god commit suicide, terminate his own existence? If yes, then not eternal. If no then not omnipotent.
The objections to omniscience and omnipotence remain the same.
These are not objections. They are newbie logical mistakes. God's very existence entails eternity, saying that God can't stop being eternal, or, equivalently, can't commit suicide is a vacuous sentence.