Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

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'Ocean (n): A body of water occupying about two thirds of a world made for man, who has no gills.' - Bierce

Boru

You have an awful fallacy right there, ocean guy. Since when size mattered? Think of the microchip in your computer, it's the main reason why we can safely assert the computer is fine tuned.

And if you think a fine tuned universe is equivalent to drops of wine falling from the sky, you're kindly asked to review the literature on this question.

"Sense of wonder" is appeal to emotion.  "OMG this is so cool!  Therefore God."  I'm okay with that.

Emotion matters, you know. Would a deity reveal itself by making its existence "overwhelming", that is, its creatures can feel the sense of purpose in their everyday life, or, give them pages of rigorous proofs refuting every line of thought any skeptic has about why god isn't there?

Mocking our innate tendency towards belief is ridiculous, and you should feel ashame of yourself for reducing it to some kind of"common logical fallacy", as if ordinary people -who deserve to know god too- can follow sophisticated arguments in the first place.

We have an innate instinct of survival so that when a predator is around, we run. When we feel the innate curiosity to explore, we learn. When we feel strong emotions towards a person, we marry them. And when we feel overwhelmed with our sense of wonder, we fucking believe.

I wish religious apologists would simply lead with that.  Skip the pseudo-critical thinking and dime store philosophy. 

Ah, I should then presume you have some serious, detailed refutations of the arguments for a first cause out there. More interestingly, that you reached some objective moraliity without our outdated theology.

Trying to argue rational belief in the unseen and unsound makes one appear to have lived in a cave the last 18 centuries.

Okay, would you believe in god if a huge entity descended from the sky and said with the loudest voice ever : " I am god" ?

Well, that is amusing. You are stealing a christian apologist argument for Islam. But I guess that is the islamic MO. It can discover nothing, and so must rely on stealing the concepts of it's betters. Sorry, but islam had it's golden age long ago. It was the repository of learning once upon a time. And it threw it all away. And that was a tragedy

Aw, touching Islam story. So.. where is your answer to the argument I just stole?

The message I had hoped you would receive was that you have no say in how I choose to respond to you, unless I violate the rules of the forum, in which case you can inform a moderator.

The message I had hoped you would receive, on the other hand, was not to be an ass, that is, not to flush my answers down the toilet simply because you have the right to do so. Yeah, sure, you can ignore everything and walk, but please don't bother going into details if you're not prepared to hear/answer objections.

We're still at a point where I don't find your posts completely not worth the time it takes to read them, I'm hoping we don't get there; but you're not making it easy.

I'll make it easy this time : Stick to chit chat comments and go to another thread. Only long, detailed, boring answers are allowed here.