(March 1, 2020 at 8:04 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: [quote pid='1959678' dateline='1583021679']
It's only dishonest if one knows there is no god but claims to be agnostic. I was once an agnostic theist. I didn't know if there was a god but I wanted there to be and I believed there was (for really bad reasons). I was being honest. I then stopped believing that there was a god even though I wasn't sure there wasn't one. I was an agnostic atheist. I was being honest. Then after much study and thought I became convinced that there was no god and there never could be.
I am curious to know how you became convinced that there is no god. There are very few atheists who make such a claim, not even the most hardcore skeptic can claim to have an argument against any possible deity.
(February 29, 2020 at 8:14 pm)Objectivist Wrote: Rather than be dishonest and say I was an agnostic atheist because people wouldn't like it much if I said I was a hard atheist, I chose to be honest and stated that I was a strong atheist, after all I don't care what people think of me. I'm going, to be honest, no matter who doesn't approve. So you see, at no point in my life have I been dishonest with regard to this issue.
There is no way for me or anyone to check that you're truly honest. We should either just take your word for it, or ask you to clarify your reasons for asserting that there is no god.
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I became convinced by means of reason, Klorophyll. I'm not a skeptic, I'm an Objectivist and 1: I'm under no obligation to disprove every deity that mystics dream up, that would be a never-ending job, 2: I'm not asking you to agree with me, it's enough that I know, and 3: If by a deity you mean some kind of supernatural being, then I don't think such a thing is possible, to begin with. The notion of the supernatural is fraught with contradictions and stolen concepts.
No, there's no way for you to know if I'm being honest. No more can you know that all those who claim to be agnostic are being dishonest. Errors of knowledge are not necessarily dishonest. Dishonesty is a breach of morality, errors of knowledge are not. Errors of knowledge can be corrected. Evasion, and willfully faking reality are deliberate acts which are chosen.
If you really want to know my reasons, you'll find them in the Objectivist Metaphysics and the Objectivist theory of concepts.