Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

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There is no category of moral system that atheism poses any practical -or- theoretical problem to.  Atheism is a position on god belief, not a position on morality.

I am aware that atheism simply means the lack of believing in god. But this position has consequences, namely, that an atheist can't adhere to any moral system based on religious premises. My claim is that atheism can't have a coherent moral system. Atheists can of course endorse any moral statement, but that doesn't mean they can justify it.

Why do you think generosity is good?  Chances are I would refer to the same things. 

I actually don't know why, maybe because making other people happy increases my happiness myself. But this cute metric obviously falls apart on more subtile examples;

Generosity is good because god said so is at least a grounded response, although it seems like an "overkill".

Why would it be meaningless?  The statement means the same thing to me in a world with or without a god.  IDK, it may not mean the same thing to you, depending on whether there is or isn't a god..but it's a fair bet that it would still mean something.

Don't you think?

This something you're talking about is what I already refered to as the inherent moral compass. You know, the thing that prevents you from going out now and stabbing anyone walking, and it's generally more than just being afraid of cops. This thing can't answer all the moral issues. When the latter becomes complicated, we need more reliable moral systems, that's why I advocate for religion.

Islam gives clear answers to complicated moral issues. There is literally a really simple list of forbidden things : fornication, homosexuality, talking behind someone's back, usury/charging high interest, etc. With the absence of religion, you need to calmly listen to whores articulating their case for cheating, because it's somewhat moral - increases the whore's sexual satisfaction - as long as the poor husband doesn't find out. This kind of situations is what warrants clear definitions of what morality is, what individual freedom means, etc.