Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

[downbeatplumb]

I'll repeat once again, and hopefully for the last time: right and wrong are undefined with the absence of god or some external "ultimate judge" that gives them meaning.

Well that is just wrong.
What defines "right and wrong" is empathy.

And saying god defines right and wrong is a bit nebulous isn't it?
How does it do it?
It certainly isn't through scripture because I haven't read the Koran which is where I assume those things are yet I am a moral man.
Its not through the Imams etc because I don't listen to them.

Is rape wrong? Everyone, atheist or theist, will say it is. Meanwhile, I find Peter Singer, a sophisticated moral philosopher, who thinks it's okay to rape disabled people.

I think rape is wrong because my "empathy" tells me that I wouldnt like to be raped.
I assume Pete Singer is some kind of muslim! they seem to be the ones that use their beliefs to excuse rape the most often.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/598...-Mimousini

I am not arguing from authority here, or implying that atheists should advocate for the same ideas, but I think that this guy demonstrates that we can philosophize any moral position to the realm of acceptable if we don't have some ultimate reference.

Well I don't know why not believing in your silly idea leads to rape.

But I have seen people using religion to justify murder and rape. They do thos things in the name of god.
The Nazis had "god is with us" on their belt buckles.

In a world without a god, skullfucking your neighbors' kid is simply skullfucking your neighbors' kid, no Eww/Ughh reactions allowed.
In a world without a god, skullfucking your neighbors' kid can be justified from an utilitarian viewpoint, if the neighbors' kid is a haemophiliac infant.

Again, right and wrong are red herring in this context. I agree we all have this inherent moral compass that prevents us from allowing such stuff. But this inherent morality in itself warrants an explanation.

Yes and the explanation is a because:
A: we have evolved as a social animal were antisocial behaviour would cause issues and
B: we are sophisticated people that can have empathy.

If anything the idea of god is often used to remove those things and leads to more evil.