Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

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If you really believed in human fallibility you wouldn't advocate for an order following system in place of a moral system.  You would appreciate the value of reason when it comes to assessing counter-claims to fact.

It's the exact opposite, actually. If moral systems - the products of **reason **- struggle hard to rule out rape, infidelity, utilitarianism, etc. then they are a miserable failure. And it's not surprising that they would fail, because we work through trial and error. We know unlawful murder, rape, etc. are wrong, we don't need to **try** them and see the consequences.

You -believe- that there's some failure..on account of how employing reason lead to a position which contradicted your mindless order following.  In mere reality, I explained why and when infidelity could be wrong, and also when it wouldn't be.

Again, once you tell me infidelity might not be wrong in some obscure corner of your moral system, we're done. You're advocating for the exact sexual depravity my religion - all religions, actually, came to stand up against. 

It would be trivially easy to find examples of open relationships that are, and aren't, harmful. 

I think I already explained how these examples are not relationships. Call them open prostitution, orgies, whatever. Leave the word relationships out of this swamp.

If we take harm out of the picture, why would an open relationship still be bad?  Must be something other than harm.  Something like your incoherent and fact free religious beliefs, for example.

Allowing open "relationships" obviously undermines the value of marriage in its traditional sense.  It's basically an incentive to be less committed to one's spouse. Again, if your moral system struggles with that, then it's a miserable failure.

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It's still better than rationalizing, with a straight face, killing haemophiliac infants.

That is exactly what Bible demands of its followers: to kill hemophilic infants by circumcising them.

How many millions of babies do you think have died because they were hemophilic and their parents circumcised them because it was a "moral" thing to do according to Bible?

That would be closer to a mistake than to rationalization, which is what our moral systems tend to do.