Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

[Abaddon_ire]

In my secular morality, women are regarded as equals, not as yours which regards women as mere property.

That makes you yet another abusive, woman bashing thug.

Well done you c""".

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Virgin with an oppressed corpse bride at best. As a red blooded straight male, father of a trans teen, witness of how your misogyny totally borks 50% of fucking humanity, I know that you are full of it.

You and your crank religion are evil.

You would have that I murder my trans child a an abomination. You would have as a second position that I must deny that child ANY sex life, any intimate life.

Do you have no understanding how disgusting that is to any right thinking person?

You want me to kill my eldest child.

Because Allah says.

Have you no idea how morally lost you have become due to you magic book.

The reality is that I would give my life for my children, whoever they turn out to be.

OTOH, you would happily butcher your your own children because you imagine that the stupid Allah told you to do so.

I think it is rather clear which morals are more correct.

A man like Klor who causally engages in misogynistic slurs doesn't get to lecture anyone on valuing women

A man like Klor thinks women are mere property, not equals in ANY sense. This is morally wrong to me. Not to him though. 

As a man, if I encounter any woman who will not embrace their equality, I walk away. One cannot be saved if one does not WANT to be saved. If some women want to be slaves to the patriarchal baloney, one can only illustrate for them the exit, one cannot force them to walk through it.

On this forum, there are some fiesty women and I find myself cheering. Because fuck you and the misogynist horse you rode in on. (general you in there, not you in particular).


The simple fact is that I am so straight that one could use me as a ruler. In consequence, I am entirely comfortable within my own sexuality. Also in consequence, I cannot pass judgment of where anyone else's happy place might be. That is not a judgment given to me and I have absolutely no grounds to pass any judgment. 

Nevertheless, the religious pretend that they not only have grounds to make that judgment, they can tell you who you can copulate with and the exact manner of such copulation. 

Because the religious are obsessed with sex. And they have a huge problem with that reality. 

Now, I am 51, so I have some mileage, but back in my childhood, I watched the priests and christian brothers abuse classmates into suicide.  I saw it happen. At the time, I was a child. Rather him than me was the order of the day. I could see what was happening. But it was not me.

This is a matter of eternal shame for me. I should have stood up for the vulnerable. But when one is a kid dealing with authority figures? One has little option. Survive. Go under the radar. All of us did it. Devil take the hindmost. Survival.

The fuckers abused even those of us that were not legally abused. I doubt those religiously inflicted scars will ever fade.