(May 20, 2020 at 7:50 am)WinterHold Wrote:(May 20, 2020 at 5:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: First off, no one is sent to prison for 15-20 years for lifting a box of pencils or a stick of gum (not in civilized countries, at least). Different degrees of theft merit different penalties. Yet you clearly said earlier that the level of the theft doesn't matter - you would cut off a hand over a stick of gum (bar forgiveness, which is beside the point).
Actually you are wrong according to American law:
https://www.federalcharges.com/bank-robb...s-charges/
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- Any person who enters a building used in whole or in part as a bank with the intent to forcibly remove funds or commit any felony that will affect the institution could face a serious fine and up to 20 years in prison. This includes simply walking into a bank and handing a note to a teller.
- In instances where a robbery places another person’s life in jeopardy or involves assault, a more serious fine and up to 25 years in prison are possible. This includes making threats, using any weapon during a robbery, and even using toy weapons during a robbery.
- Those who receive, conceal, or otherwise accept anything taken from a bank could face a fine and as much as 10 years in prison.
- Robberies that involve a perpetrator killing another person or abducting them could face even more serious penalties, including life imprisonment or even the death penalty.
So yes; the law of America does send people to 20 years or even life behind bars for robbery.
As for cutting the hand of the grown up thieve, then they should not steal or rob in the first place. Just like the American law might throw a man for years and years in a concrete box over walking into a building.
In America and the west; forgiveness from the victim is not even on the list as a waiver for the convict.
Ask me about how one restores their missing hand; and I'll tell you about how one restores their psychological sanity after being raped and thrown in a box with dangerous criminals.
Quote:Mister Agenda brought up wrongful conviction earlier, and you haven't addressed it. I'd like you to do so now.
Suppose Joe is accused of stealing a packet of sticky notes from his office. He is fired and the company decides to prosecute. Joe is convicted and has to pay a small fine (and look for another job). Later, it is discovered that Joe didn't steal the stickies after all. He is reinstated in his job and his fine is remitted to him.
How would your system replace his hand?
Boru
My system would require top-notch investigation; then. But the missing hand? again; I'll ask you about the raped convicts locked in concrete boxes.
Robbery is not to be tolerated under Islam. But so as wrong sentences and playing with peoples' blood. Investigation should be the best of qualities in the whole world, and forgiveness must be always recited to the victim.
Thank you for not answering my question, for bringing up irrelevancies, and for your continued efforts to apply medieval justice to 21st century society.
You are nothing if not consistent.
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson