Quote:Ilhan Omar is one of the most progressive members of Congress. She is in favor of supporting gay people's rights, Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, reduced militarism, and other important policies.Yup and those ideas are either not the product or in case of gay rights in total contrast to Islam
Quote:Do you consider Omar and Buttar to be silly? Are they, in your view, not really Muslim? Though they are real progressives and the US would greatly benefit from having more people like them in power, should we nonetheless call them dangerous for the world?Yup as muslims . As progressive no . Those things are not compatible and simply are proof Omar and Buttar are better than their religion .
Quote:So it's possible to be Muslim and progressive.Nope Islam is regressive . You can only be a progressive by Ignoring it
Quote:So perhaps what you really object to is the Middle East, and its customs, not Islam.Nope Islam doesn't become less regressive . It's simply are proof Omar and Buttar are better than their religion
Quote:Would you vote for Omar or Buttar?For the progressive policies yup .With the knowledge they live contrary to many of the ideals of their religion
Quote:It's relevant because it appears that a Muslim can in fact be progressive and have good political policies, yet you still oppose her views.Nope they can only live in contradiction
Quote: Can a Muslim be a good person while holding Muslim views, or not? Is Ilhan Omar a bad person because she holds views that are, according to you, childish? Or is she a good person despite holding those views? Do you respect the work that Shahid Buttar has done, although he has never renounced Islam? Or do you think all his progressive work is insufficient to make him a good person, because he's a MuslimYup they can be a good person but only as long as they never actually live out what their holy book demands .
Quote:This is relevant because you seem to be opposing something big called Islam, but are unwilling to say anything specific or discuss any individual Muslim.Yup because as an ideology it's regressive . Why would we discuss individuals?
Quote:I hope you're not avoiding these serious questions.These aren't serious questions
Quote:What do you think I want you to state? I only want you to say what you really think.I'm sure
Quote:But I see that you're unwilling to specify anything which is intrinsic to Islam which you disapprove of. You're unwilling to specify why you think people who are Muslim must be childish or anti-progressive. You only want to make blanket general statements expressing your feelings. OK.Seriously i don't know anything at all . The muslim is clear in it's anti progressive ideas .That muslims choose not follow those views is not evidence against Islams regressive views only that some Muslims are better than their religion .
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM