RE: Question about "faith"
September 27, 2020 at 8:50 am
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2020 at 8:52 am by possibletarian.)
(September 27, 2020 at 3:56 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I doubt that he'll be any better at defining a soul than he was at describing his belief in soul sleep or annihilation as not believing in a soul.
I'm aware that John does not believe in souls, but his claim seems to be that if they did exist they would not be unfalsifiable.
Hence my clarification on what he believes that other people believe a soul is, that his denomination refutes exists. Frankly I've never had such a strange conversation where two people agree on something, but the waters are still muddied somehow !
So far as i can tell there are two mainstream thoughts on what a soul is, as i understand it the Greeks defined it as essentially 'all that makes a person up' it does not really delve into the spiritual. This is i understand how many people still use it.
In religion however the soul is often referred to as a spiritual, none material form that either informs us, or in fact is us, this is i suspect what John means when he says we don't have a soul. To me you cannot falsify the soul, simply infer that we have much better idea's about what consciousness could be etc, in other words make an unprovable soul unnecessary.
My position being that should a soul exist, there is no way to prove/disprove (unfalsifiable)
I find myself in this back to front conversation where people it seems can make any claim, that the scale of what's extraordinary is subjective, and John seems to think the responsibility is on those who doubt it to refute it rather than the person who makes the claim to prove it.
I'm trying to understand why John under these circumstances would reject a alien abduction claim out of hand. In other words where does does healthy scepticism kick in in the mind of John given that all claims must be disproven rather than proved ?
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'