RE: Question about "faith"
September 28, 2020 at 11:33 am
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2020 at 11:47 am by Mister Agenda.)
(September 25, 2020 at 11:36 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(September 25, 2020 at 11:11 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Magical, invisible, unprovable universe creating beings extraordinary enough for you ?
No; provide a way to measure extraordinariness. If you cannot measure it, then it is not science.
An extraordinary claim is one that has no testable evidence and would require what we've learned of nature so far to be wrong if true.
(September 26, 2020 at 9:05 pm)possibletarian Wrote:(September 26, 2020 at 6:34 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: 1. God and religious beliefs go hand in hand; stated another way, it is as if God was the theory and religious beliefs were it's hypothesis: If my particular God exists, then man shouldn't have a soul. Therefore, if man is found to have a soul, my particular God does not exist.
2. There's nothing inherently unfalsifiable about souls. When things aren't falsifiable it is usually because they predict every possible test outcome, not because you haven't figured out a way to test it.
3. Seventh-Day Adventist.
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Sorry John I have no idea what that means, can you expand and explain it for me ?
Then how would you tell if there was a soul, what about a soul would we be able to test ?
Remember when people thought souls weighed something until it was proven that a dead body weighs exactly as much as a live one, provided you prevent decomp gas from escaping? And remember how many times something similar happened with claims about God and the response was to change the claim or deny the evidence? There's a trend, I think. A good one, I suppose, better people believe in a God that doesn't do anything than one that demands they write legislation establishing their religious views.
(September 26, 2020 at 10:09 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(September 26, 2020 at 9:58 pm)possibletarian Wrote: If you don't know how to test for a soul, simply say so, if you claim their presence (should they exist) is testable then simply say how.
I see; you misunderstood me then. My denomination doesn't believe in souls. That's why I gave the formula: "If my particular God exists, then man shouldn't have a soul." Meaning that if man does have a soul, my particular God does not exist.
I don't know how you would test for souls, since you wish to falsify my beliefs. I just know souls aren't defined in an unfalsifiable manner.
An unfalsifiable hypothesis is one that cannot be contradicted by an observation or experiment. Since people who believe souls are real (defined as the part of a human being that is a spirit) define them as immaterial spirits, they are unfalsifiable in principle since we can't distinguish between things that are immaterial from things that don't exist. If you COULD falsify the existence of a human soul that lives on after death, you could potentially scientifically validate or disconfirm at least one belief of your sect.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.