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[Quranic Reflection]: The tranquillity men find in women and women find in men
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tranquillity men find in women and women find in men
(October 20, 2020 at 7:54 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(October 20, 2020 at 5:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The ability to choose is a thing. The choices we make are things. If God created everything, then he created the choices we make. Therefore, we make no choices at all - they are all pre-made by God. God cannot logically give us the ability to choose and have made all of our choices. You can have one or the other, not both.

Boru

Yes, there is nothing we create or make that God hadn't willed for it to exist.
Take evil. Actually God himself inspires humans with both evil and good, but leaves the choice to the person:

Quote:Sura 91, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 7 )   And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it
( 8 )   And inspired it [with discernment of] its wickedness and its righteousness,
( 9 )   He has succeeded who purifies it,
( 10 )   And he has failed who instills it [with corruption].

He never tells you do the evil, but he tells you do good.
He made both the good and the evil. Put both in front of us. If you chose evil, you go to hell, if you chose good you go to paradise.

You’re still not grasping the point. Under the collective delusion  known as the Abrahamic religions, there not only is no ability to freely choose an action, it is impossible for such a choice to exist in the first place.

If there is nothing we make or create that God hasn’t willed to exist, there can be no free choice. If I murder a child, then God has willed that a child be murdered by me, I have no choice in the matter. At the risk of being repetitive, it is God’s will that the child be murdered and that I be the one to commit the act. Similarly, if I have the opportunity to murder a child and don’t, then God has willed it to be so. Again, I didn’t choose not to murder the child, I’m simply acting out a choice made by God, not by me.

Evil isn’t the opportunity for a bad action, it is the action itself. If God wills that a particular action happen or not happen, we can’t act contrarily to that. 

And it isn’t even limited to moral actions. Every single ‘choice’ you ever made or ever will make - how you tie your shoes, where you’ll open a bank account, who you marry, paper or plastic - isn’t a choice, it is merely the carrying out of God’s will, if what you said above is true. 

The only coherent way to include free will in the face of an ultimate creator God is to allow that there are some things (either by design or inability) that God did not create.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tranquillity men find in women and women find in men - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 20, 2020 at 8:51 pm

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