RE: Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?
January 27, 2021 at 5:25 pm
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2021 at 5:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 27, 2021 at 4:52 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:Seems to me that the word best is doing more lifting than the word natural - all of it, in fact.(January 26, 2021 at 4:20 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There doesn't need to be any other than. If that were the only thing that you see happening in nature that you took moral issue with (which I highly doubt), that would be an example of something you find amiss in nature.
The extent to which you believe that it is "against natural law" is a thematic expression of how you perceive those acts. What you mean to say, I think, is that you think those people are wrong. Well..there you are, people doing it wrong in nature. Whatever else it may be, it's perfectly natural for human beings to do that.
Nature is fine. People are fucked.
I have no idea what your "There doesn't need to be any other than. " means.
Men and and women failing to protect their children from discrimination without a just cause, or adding to it the way Christians do, is hardly the best form of natural.
We can plainly see that it's natural for people to do things which neither you, nor I, nor the postman would describe as the best things to do. This is something that you see amiss, in nature, in humans. You take moral issue with it. Correct?
Quote:Now try English.
I'm going to interpret this as a request to rephrase.
People who claim that homosexuality is bad, bad defined as unnatural things, put themselves in a bind. The same bind that you're in by defining natural as good, and then referring to some thing that they're doing as bad.
Each of you makes a claim to fact which cannot be true if either of your complaints about what other people are doing are true. Each of you makes a claim to moral state by moral facts which cannot be true if those moral facts are true.
This is what it means for a thing to be self referentially false. That if any given part of the statement were true, the rest couldn't be true.
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