RE: Open to explore possibility
February 14, 2021 at 11:53 am
(This post was last modified: February 14, 2021 at 12:05 pm by GUBU.)
(February 11, 2021 at 11:07 pm)WarrenSmith Wrote: [quote='Five' pid='2022693' dateline='1612370680']
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Sorry but every single word you wrote is meaningless bovine excrement,
(February 12, 2021 at 3:12 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: John von Neumann, a mathematician and polymath, one the brightest scientists to ever live, reportedly said, shortly before his death, "So long as there is the possibility of eternal damnation for nonbelievers it is more logical to be a believer at the end". I am not trying to argue from authority, but if you encounter someone here claiming they have some argument that will break you out of the existential anguish you're describing, you really should be skeptical.
That particular bit of christian sophistry, Pascal's wager, is the biggest most heaping pile of bullshit that religion has ever come out with (and religion are the masters on bullshit).
Let us tear this apart; 1) Which god should we pretend to believe in? There's literally tens of thousands that we know of (and plenty humanity has forgotten). 2) If a god is all knowing (as the abrahamic god is supposed to be) why try to bullshit him? He's only going to find out and damn you anyway. 3) If the god is good then why is he punishing me for coming to the logical conclusion based on the utter lack of evidence for his existence? Why is he punishing Mohamed ibn Mohamed for chasing after a slightly wrong version of him? Why is he punishing Tripitaka for going for the wrong god? And so on. If god made his personhood evident and clear then maybe (and this is a big reach) he would have some justification for punishing us for not acknowledging him. 4) Infinite punishment for a finite crime is the worst form of tyranny and the lowest form of evil.
Oh and on the substance of the quote, it is not logical to believe the unbelievable, it is fearful and ignorant. It is, in fact, a shockingly anti-scientific for a great scientist like von Neumann to have held.
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