RE: Open to explore possibility
February 14, 2021 at 4:54 pm
(This post was last modified: February 14, 2021 at 4:55 pm by R00tKiT.)
(February 14, 2021 at 11:53 am)Nomad Wrote: That particular bit of christian sophistry, Pascal's wager, is the biggest most heaping pile of bullshit that religion has ever come out with (and religion are the masters on bullshit).
Pascal's wager is .... Pascal's idea, not any religion's. And I think I was misunderstood, I am not defending Pascal's wager here, I am reminding OP how stupid it is to give up belief in God because the religion he grew up with turned out to be a pile of crap. It's a dishonest move to do so, and once one is dishonest, Pascal's reasoning is actually valid: you're risking an infinite loss for being dishonest toward the god question.
(February 14, 2021 at 11:53 am)Nomad Wrote: 1) Which god should we pretend to believe in? There's literally tens of thousands that we know of (and plenty humanity has forgotten). 2) If a god is all knowing (as the abrahamic god is supposed to be) why try to bullshit him? He's only going to find out and damn you anyway. 3) If the god is good then why is he punishing me for coming to the logical conclusion based on the utter lack of evidence for his existence? Why is he punishing Mohamed ibn Mohamed for chasing after a slightly wrong version of him? Why is he punishing Tripitaka for going for the wrong god? And so on. If god made his personhood evident and clear then maybe (and this is a big reach) he would have some justification for punishing us for not acknowledging him.
There are very compelling arguments in favor of God that were presented. The teleological argument is my favorite, last time I discussed it with members in this forum it turns out they assign a dishonest definition to the word design -namely : design = human design[sic] - to excuse themselves of asserting a non human designer. I am curious to know what is OP's position on this kind of arguments, if they have any.
And as I said repeatedly, religions - Islam, at least- don't say nonreligious people will be punished because they are nonreligious, but because they dishonestly dismissed some religion. This is an important nuance, you and OP should try to take some time to understand it.
(February 14, 2021 at 11:53 am)Nomad Wrote: Infinite punishment for a finite crime is the worst form of tyranny and the lowest form of evil.
There is no link between the length of a crime and the length of punishment. Killing someone may take a few seconds, but the punishment may be lifelong -or fatal.