The Official Gosh Darned Biden Thread

[Irreligious Atheist]

So I just looked up alt right on youtube to see what the top results would be, and it's mostly bringing up stuff about Richard Spencer and Charlottesville. Obviously I'm not defending those types of people.

Merely spouting and defending their ideology and honor as a movement, we know.

Alt right is not one thing. There are many different types of alt right. You have someone like Richard Spencer, who is openly and proudly racist, and then you have the alt-righters that I was thinking of, more of the Steven Crowder, Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes, Ben Shapiro, and Jordan Peterson types. I haven't seen any of these people spew anti-black views, other than when some of them support the drug war. If I saw it, I'd call it out, but I don't see it. Of course, most woke people will equate having issues with BLM or making jokes as making a person just as bad as someone like Richard Spencer, and that's what makes wokeism a religion just like any other.

All alt right means to me is that a person has views that are right wing, but they have some significant differences with establishment republicans. To be alternative to the mainstream right wing doesn't entail that you must be a white separatist or march around chanting that Jews will not replace you, but if being alt right now means that you must go around marching with tiki torches, what do we now call people like Gavin McInnes and Steven Crowder since they apparently can no longer be called alt right? What word should I use for them?

Sounds like you got soft sold.  Anywho, the alt right ate the mainstreams lunch.  That's why they're groveling at the foot of the troll king and lurching towards open fascism as we speak.  The alt right rallies around the politics of white grievance.  That's the tie that binds.  Or, as you would put it, anti wokeness.

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 Do you not find it gross that posters are posting pictures of black children with dead fathers and using that to prop up the child cager running, as they were called by AOC, concentration camps?

As you noted in the question..I'm against kiddie koncentration kamps, not any particular candidate or politician officiating over them.  Shouldn't even be an option.  We can agree here and disagree over the articles of white grievance, which we do..explicitly, and it's those views, that disagreement, that identifies you as a vocal disseminator of alt right talking points.

Immigration is not going to stop because some separatists want it to. There's no chance their wishes come to pass. They lost a long time ago. Game over. They are a terrorist threat to an extent but they're not exactly slaughtering people left and right and leaving mountains of bodies.

59 percent of Americans support free speech. https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/stat...a#overview Are you implying that 59 percent of Americans are pushing alt-right talking points because they support free speech? The alt-right doesn't own the concept of free speech. The world is going crazy at this moment in time though, and even the ACLU is abandoning free speech when they used to defend the Klan having the right to do rallies like real liberals would.

71 percent of Americans believe that political correctness has done more to silence important discussions our society needs to have. https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/stat...ce-america Are these 71 percent of Americans all pushing alt-right talking points because they take issue with PC/ woke culture?

I'm not defending the honour of these people because I agree with everything they say. I just think it makes no sense at all to try to group Richard Spencer in with Jordan Peterson and act like they are the same thing when it's apples and oranges. If I thought Jordan Peterson was a white separatist, I wouldn't be defending him as a person. You don't see me defending Richard Spencer.