RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
July 29, 2021 at 10:49 am
(This post was last modified: July 29, 2021 at 11:05 am by R00tKiT.)
(July 29, 2021 at 10:35 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: I would like to know EXACTLY on what date the hadith books became obsolete, and who decided that.
I frankly didn't think OP is that stupid. The hadiths came after the Qur'an, so if he thinks obsolescence is a relevant criterion, the Qur'an would be invalidated too. In addition, no verse tells us how many days the pilgrimage should take. Winter just magically pulls the number 6 and wants us to believe him at face value, presenting zero reference.
Also, the "5 pillars" Winter mentions don't exist in the Qur'an and, finally, the devastating blow:
The stoning of the devil is NOT in the Qur'an.
You are absolutely laughable, Winter. You invalidated your own Qur'anism yourself.
Qur'anism aside, authentic hadiths are part of Islam and they never were obsolete. Simply put, there is no Islam without hadiths.
(July 29, 2021 at 7:36 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)
All these verses belong to some wartime issue, nothing in them is inherently immoral once you get right all the facts and the context. You can find detailed explanations of what these verses mean on the Internet, you are not the first to misunderstand them/quote them out of context.
(July 29, 2021 at 7:36 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It’s tough for a reform minded Muslim to explain why they accept magic book, but not Hadith.
It's impossible to defend this position coherently. The Qur'an explicitly tells Muslims to pray, for example, without giving detailed instructions of prayer, Muslims the world over pray 5 times a day, and yet the Qur'an never ever mentioned five prayers. If one omits the hadiths, many verses become unintelligible/inapplicable. Winter repeatedly borrowed stuff from the hadiths in this very thread without mentioning it (without knowing it?). OP is either dishonest or pathetically misinformed.
