RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 5, 2021 at 2:35 pm
(This post was last modified: October 5, 2021 at 3:25 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 5, 2021 at 2:13 pm)gracerutherford Wrote: What's an example of something God does that isn't considered benevolent? We can use the words benevolent and good interchangeably here, since they mean the same thing. How would you define "good," as the opposite of evil? If God is good, then is the opposite of evil. As described in the Bible, God hates evil. Because He is a fair and just God, He must give punishment to those who deserve it. However, He is also a gracious God and offers second chances.Well, sure, I think that we can agree that good and evil are antonyms...but I don't know why that would establish that god is good? I base my judgement on the described character of the god in the old and new testaments. Real or imagined, the god described has a moral character. As for second chances, more on this at the end.
Quote:Punishing those who are evil does not mean He is not a good God. Take a judge for example. Would the judge be a good judge if they let murderers and thieves go who deserved prison or a death sentence. No! Of course they wouldn't be good. Because being good also means having justice. So, how would you describe the definition of good? And how does God not fit into your vision of what good is?Well...I'm a bit concerned already, as claiming that some other person is evil will not establish that -you- are good, nor is it the case that punishing evil is uniformly good. We don't say, for example..that because you are An Evil Person, it's okay -for me- to invade your country and rape your daughters, or -for me- to order others to do so. Do we? That because you....blasphemed the holy spirit......it's okay for me to torture you? Do we? That because you made fun of a bald mans head, it's okay to send a bear to eat you and your friends. That because we wanted to test your loyalty, it's okay to kill your family. That because you had sex with someone we didn't want you to, it's okay to drown everyone, or burn a town..or two.... That because other people are sinful, it's okay to murder the better man.
I could go on..but I shouldn't have to. We don't have to agree about the moral nature of your god or your religion for you to understand that I have reservations about it based on those things you would insist were true. As a biblical christian, ofc. I don't personally believe that just because anyone...god or man or magic book, says a thing is good..that means that it is good. I'm not a moral subjectivist.
Now, not only am I concerned with the alleged just punishments of these gods..I'm also in the position of pointing out that second chances are mercy, and not justice. Mercy may be preferable, but we aren't merciful because we are just. We are merciful when justice demands some act, and we stay the red right hand in the face of that. That..for example...for what you have done, and for what you are...you deserve to die - but we're going to make you immortal, instead, so long as you join the club - and all of the morally questionable shit (to put it mildly), above, that this entails. If all this questionable shit boils down to a questionable god seeking questionable justice, it completely shits on all of that the minute it offers mercy. Now it's torturing people and invading people and eating people and murdering people and burning people and drowning people.....for justice....that it wholly intends to subvert with mercy.
Skip all that, go straight to the mulligans? But....as you said...would a judge be good if it let murderers and thieves go who deserved their sentence? If your comments are to be taken as informative, the central position of your faith is the greatest argument against it's truth. Your god is the bad judge that both you and I have an issue with. It fucks up coming and going, by both of our metrics.
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