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That pro white thread.
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RE: That pro white thread.
(April 27, 2022 at 2:04 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:
(April 27, 2022 at 1:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Letting THAT guy run in THAT set of circumstances isn’t remotely the same as ‘making arrest and detainment optional’ (but well done you for including ‘pick him up later’).

As I pointed out in that thread, Lyoya is a refugee - the cops know where he lived, they know where he worked - he could have been picked up at any time. Why does someone pulled over for a dodgy number plate need to be be forcibly arrested right then and there? This wasn’t a violent guy, this wasn’t someone who was a threat to public safety. He’s Congolese and thus likely had good reason to be afraid of a cop grabbing him in the street.

Maybe if he were picked up at his home or at his job the situation could have been handled in such a way that he’d still be breathing.

Boru

You didn't answer the question though. What if he runs again? Why do you let him run the 1st time but not the next time? What is the difference between the two situations? Him grabbing the cops weapon at home could result in his children, if he has any, being shot by the cops by accidental crossfire. You try to pick him up at work and he fights the cops there, you are putting his co-workers in danger. Why is that any better of a situation?

The difference is that he'd be in a familiar environment - people DO react differently in different situations.  Remember - in the interaction that cost him his life, he was on the street and clearly didn't understand what was going on. What follows is a not unlikely scenario:

Two cops go to his home and explain why they're there. They tell him that a number plate violation isn't terribly serious, but that he'll need to come along with them sort out the resisting thing. Understanding that he's not in a serious amount of trouble, he goes along quietly. His court appointed lawyer meets with him at the jail and explains his options. At his arraignment the next day, the court sets a modest bail and Mr. Lyoya is released pending a preliminary hearing.

See? Justice is served - Mr. Lyoya is now in the justice system and is going to have to accept whatever penalty society demands for the heinous crimes of 1) having a bad number plate and 2) being afraid of cops. The chief difference between what did happen and what could have happened, is that - in my scenario - Mr. Lyoya's two children still have their father.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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