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A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
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RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith
Deesse23: i think it's odd that so many current atheists put down faith and suggest they dont recognize the concept when i know there is a quote circulating among them that says "it takes faith to be an atheist". but my general definition of faith is believing that step C, D, etc is attainable when your understanding only shows you how step A leads to step B. also, i havent avoided your question, but i'll try to guess at what's causing the confusion. a more bold person mayve said they could prove that life is lived by the faith of the beliefs of one's own heart, not by an attempt to be "correct" from another person's point of view. i believe this based on what we can see, not from what i've only told myself. so i'll try to give a quick argument in support of this:

from what we can see, those that havent decided what they believe oppose faith, pushing it back so that they can live in comfortable neutrality. faith pressures them to decide what they believe. for example, if an opinion is present that is against an undecided's actions, it will be refuted the same way whether it comes in the name of morality, religion, or otherwise. i think those of faith will accept that other beliefs exist and not try to silence them by force. so since it's refutation and the same refuting regardless of name, i think it's the faith that theyre really opposed to. we see this constantly in popularity also. for example, it's very common to see questions like: "what's the greatest song ever written/movie made/tv host, etc?" with a little faith, these questions could be resolved by the asker, but standing by a real belief can cause turmoil (you could be challenged, insulted, etc), so they find a safe belief of someone else's and say they believe that instead to dodge it and stay comfortable. but from what we also see, the undecided stance isnt well regarded: fair-weather friends, those who wont stick by a decision, hypocrites, etc. so i believe these are all reminders that we have to determine and live by what we believe is true.

about tomatoes, if youre asking how this belief acknowledges the existence of things we can see (physical things), i dont believe it determines their existence but what your perspective regarding them will be, what their significance is to you. hopefully, this makes some sense.
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A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 27, 2022 at 4:35 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 27, 2022 at 6:57 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Brian37 - June 29, 2022 at 2:53 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by GUBU - June 27, 2022 at 8:27 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Huggy Bear - June 28, 2022 at 6:14 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Huggy Bear - June 29, 2022 at 11:08 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 29, 2022 at 12:09 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by arewethereyet - June 29, 2022 at 12:23 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 28, 2022 at 6:29 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Nay_Sayer - June 28, 2022 at 10:03 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by TheJefe817 - June 28, 2022 at 11:12 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by brewer - June 27, 2022 at 8:34 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Gwaithmir - June 27, 2022 at 9:26 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by TheJefe817 - June 27, 2022 at 10:56 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 28, 2022 at 5:44 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Deesse23 - June 28, 2022 at 7:20 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by brewer - June 28, 2022 at 7:38 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by GUBU - June 28, 2022 at 12:02 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Peebo-Thuhlu - June 29, 2022 at 6:13 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Fake Messiah - June 29, 2022 at 8:22 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 28, 2022 at 5:56 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by brewer - June 28, 2022 at 7:48 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Mister Agenda - June 28, 2022 at 9:43 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 28, 2022 at 1:41 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Deesse23 - June 28, 2022 at 1:56 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Orbit - June 28, 2022 at 2:14 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 28, 2022 at 3:50 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 28, 2022 at 3:51 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by TheJefe817 - June 28, 2022 at 4:05 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 28, 2022 at 5:02 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Deesse23 - June 29, 2022 at 5:07 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Belacqua - June 30, 2022 at 3:57 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 30, 2022 at 6:51 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by TheJefe817 - June 30, 2022 at 9:07 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Belacqua - June 30, 2022 at 9:16 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Deesse23 - June 30, 2022 at 10:39 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 30, 2022 at 11:40 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Mister Agenda - June 30, 2022 at 9:22 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Belacqua - June 30, 2022 at 9:29 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Mister Agenda - June 30, 2022 at 9:42 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Belacqua - June 30, 2022 at 9:53 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 28, 2022 at 7:09 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by TheJefe817 - June 28, 2022 at 8:06 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 28, 2022 at 9:04 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 29, 2022 at 9:12 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by TheJefe817 - June 29, 2022 at 9:40 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 29, 2022 at 12:32 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2022 at 12:38 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Huggy Bear - June 30, 2022 at 8:57 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 30, 2022 at 9:02 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Huggy Bear - June 30, 2022 at 9:38 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 30, 2022 at 9:55 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Huggy Bear - July 1, 2022 at 12:05 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 1, 2022 at 7:47 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Nay_Sayer - June 30, 2022 at 10:05 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Mister Agenda - July 1, 2022 at 9:16 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Angrboda - July 1, 2022 at 11:19 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Huggy Bear - July 5, 2022 at 6:53 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by GUBU - June 29, 2022 at 2:26 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2022 at 12:38 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 29, 2022 at 1:10 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Anomalocaris - June 30, 2022 at 3:08 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 29, 2022 at 1:26 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Anomalocaris - June 29, 2022 at 1:58 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 29, 2022 at 8:29 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Brian37 - June 29, 2022 at 9:26 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by GUBU - June 30, 2022 at 1:32 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Deesse23 - June 30, 2022 at 2:28 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2022 at 10:48 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 30, 2022 at 3:24 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Deesse23 - June 30, 2022 at 8:15 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by arewethereyet - June 30, 2022 at 6:56 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 30, 2022 at 6:58 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Angrboda - June 30, 2022 at 9:17 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by The Grand Nudger - June 30, 2022 at 10:07 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by The Grand Nudger - June 30, 2022 at 11:56 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - June 30, 2022 at 7:41 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - June 30, 2022 at 8:16 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Peebo-Thuhlu - June 30, 2022 at 9:32 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Deesse23 - July 1, 2022 at 2:24 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Mister Agenda - July 1, 2022 at 9:29 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Astreja - July 1, 2022 at 8:36 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - July 1, 2022 at 7:57 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by arewethereyet - July 1, 2022 at 8:01 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by TheJefe817 - July 1, 2022 at 9:54 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by arewethereyet - July 1, 2022 at 11:03 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 1, 2022 at 9:55 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - July 1, 2022 at 8:21 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Deesse23 - July 2, 2022 at 2:23 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by GUBU - July 3, 2022 at 2:43 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 1, 2022 at 8:30 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - July 2, 2022 at 7:17 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Deesse23 - July 2, 2022 at 12:54 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Anomalocaris - July 2, 2022 at 2:42 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 2, 2022 at 2:16 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Nay_Sayer - July 2, 2022 at 2:57 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 2, 2022 at 3:38 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Anomalocaris - July 2, 2022 at 4:58 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by rlp21858 - July 2, 2022 at 5:42 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Nay_Sayer - July 2, 2022 at 6:41 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 2, 2022 at 6:58 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Peebo-Thuhlu - July 2, 2022 at 8:17 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Anomalocaris - July 2, 2022 at 10:12 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Astreja - July 2, 2022 at 7:58 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Huggy Bear - July 5, 2022 at 9:08 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 5, 2022 at 9:12 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Huggy Bear - July 6, 2022 at 2:30 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Anomalocaris - July 6, 2022 at 4:03 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Huggy Bear - July 6, 2022 at 4:40 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Mister Agenda - July 6, 2022 at 9:47 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by GUBU - July 7, 2022 at 9:29 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 6, 2022 at 9:11 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 6, 2022 at 10:04 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Gwaithmir - July 7, 2022 at 7:40 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Angrboda - July 7, 2022 at 8:31 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by TheJefe817 - July 7, 2022 at 8:41 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Angrboda - July 7, 2022 at 8:43 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by TheJefe817 - July 7, 2022 at 8:48 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 7, 2022 at 9:16 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Mister Agenda - July 7, 2022 at 11:22 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 7, 2022 at 11:25 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 7, 2022 at 3:00 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 7, 2022 at 6:01 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 7, 2022 at 7:22 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 7, 2022 at 9:14 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 7, 2022 at 10:00 pm
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Mister Agenda - July 9, 2022 at 8:32 am
RE: A Believer's Thoughts on Faith - by Jehanne - July 9, 2022 at 3:43 pm

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