(July 26, 2011 at 11:08 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Rubbish. They disagree to the point of claiming that only a select number from a select faith will get into heaven and that the rest will either go to purgatory or worse.
I am sorry but that's just flat out wrong Epim I am a Baptist and we do not believe that Methodists, Catholics, Presbyterians, Charismatic, or any other Christian denomination is not going to heaven. You are just plain ignorant on this issue I guess. I am giving s series of presentations this fall at several churches in my city. They range from charismatic to southern Baptist and I am welcomed to speak at all of them. All who possess saving faith in Christ go to heaven.
(July 27, 2011 at 12:17 am)Judas BentHer Wrote:
You just proved my point! I love it when this happens, this whole time you have been claiming the shooter was a Christian simply because he claimed to be one, and then you say I am not one even though I claim to be one! Contradict yourself much?
As to your definition of denominationalism, that doesn’t dispute anything I said. Where in that definition does it say that all denominations believe they are the only true faith and the others are all going to hell? The answer is nowhere, because it’s simply not true. Take Presbyterians and Baptists for example, two of the oldest and most popular protestant denominations. Why did they split in the first place? They disagree on how the church government should be set up, and credo vs. paedo baptism. They agree on the dogmatic issues (i.e. Christ is the risen messiah etc) and neither believe the other’s members are going to hell. So you are just flat out wrong, again.
Quote:] Never? Never, ever? Oh, you must mean there's not a scripture that denotes a point by point list. No, that can not be your intention. My mistake. Because you said the 7 deadly sins never appear in the Bible. Or maybe you think that because there's not that list preceeded by something to the effect; "These are the 7 deadly sins ..."Please show me using scripture where it says that these are the only seven sins that will result in physical and or spiritual death? All sin warrants physical and spiritual death.
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What are you even talking about? Very basic exegesis reveals that those verses are in complete harmony. Paul is clearly referring to the unregenerate man in Romans 3, which of course none of them do anything good, not one. The verse in John is referring to Christians, and of course all of their sins are forgiven. In the verse in Matthew, Jesus is talking to a group of Jewish leadership who blamed one of his miracles on the devil, thus committing Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, why is it unforgivable? We do not know, could easily just be because it was unbelievers who committed it. Either way, it’s not a contradiction at all, show me a verse where a believer commits blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and is forgiven and maybe you’d have something. As to how you were trying to prove that the Catholic concept of the seven deadly sins is somehow derived directly from scripture is still a mystery.
Quote: No you're not. As to the first part of your question, I can understand how you would need someone to do the legwork so as to provide your ignorance an answer even to that. However, that you would even ask how racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc... would be morally wrong allows one to infer you do not consider them to be so... Oh hell, you are a Biblical Chrisitan!
That’s it? That’s your answer? I never said I don’t have a reason for believing they are wrong, but it is because of my worldview that I do believe they are wrong. I wanted to hear how you can state they are wrong given your worldview, and you dodged the question. So is it safe to conclude you have no basis for believing they are wrong? You just borrow your morality from the Christian? I am a bit disappointed you gave me the exact answer I was expecting.
(July 27, 2011 at 9:52 am)Rhythm Wrote: You know whenever we get into a discussion of sectarianism, I've always thought it would be much more productive if two christians on these boards started a thread outlining the difference between their denominations, and why they felt those differences are important enough to deserve denomination in the first place. A christian can always assume some "body of christendom" in the presence of an atheist, it's a harder sell when there's a christian on the line with an opposing viewpoint.
I have plenty of friends who belong to different denominations, we still consider one another brothers in Christ. I used to coach at an inter-denominational school, kind of funny how that is even possible considering you guys all seem to believe denominations hate one another. Nothing brings us together more than outspoken atheists.