Homosexuals and Heaven

[ElDinero]

Those things are wrong becuase they eventually cause hurt to someone. More often than not. King David, who was beloved of God, lusted after a woman, had her husband killed because of that lust, and suffered greatly for his sins.

You, if you are intelligent (the jury is still out on that none), should know of many cases of hurt caused by extra-marital sex, adultery, homosexual sin, etc. Just look at the current plague of STD's in the world. Look at the babies born out of wedlock and the problems it causes. Look at the divorce rate. Sins are sins because they cause some kind of harm to someone. God doesnt want to ruin your fun, He just knows what hurts people and if you were honest, you would admit that you know it too.

Firstly, respect is earned, not given unconditionally. You're a long way off.

However, that's a better response. Ish. At least it's honest and is based on more than 'God said so'. We can now enter into a thing called a 'discussion', where we use rhetoric and reason to examine each other's points of view. That said, I'd still say it's flimsy. Here's why:

No, I don't think people can be hurt explicitly by the act of pre-marital sex. Promoting responsible safe sex is important (tell that to the Catholic church, among others), but there's nothing actually wrong with the act, is there? Assuming it's between two consenting adults, of course. Sex is fun, and sex with one person is never the same as sex with another person. What's wrong with the actual act?

If we're going to go down the 'people get hurt' route - do married people not also get hurt? Are all (or even most) marriages perfect? I certainly have plenty of examples of married people ending up hurt, but it would be a stretch (though not impossible) to blame the institution of marriage for this. You yourself mentioned the divorce rate. There are a lot of things that have caused people to experience hardships, but we wouldn't think of describing most of them as bad. And I certainly don't think there's any data that shows people get hurt more from homosexual relationships than heterosexual ones. If you think there is, I'd be very interested to see it. And plenty of children raised in married homes grow up to be utter shits as well. I think it's lazy to just blame things like being born out of wedlock.

Adultery is different because yes, an innocent third party is affected. I don't believe it should be a crime, but I'm happy enough to say that generally I think it's a bad thing.