Yes, quite. You mentioned all the black people and women who died so that you could have an opinion. I highly doubt they were fighting for people who wanted to exercise the same prejudices over other groups of people that they themselves were dying to escape.
I don't see why it matters whether or not we declare ourselves part of a 'group' or not. If you are going to make sweeping statements about groups of people, expect them to encompass members of the forum to whom you are making the statements, and expect those people to find your statements ignorant and/or offensive. Dressing it up in flowery language because you like me doesn't change the fact that what you're saying has no basis in fact and is simply a projection of what your preacher has told you. Ohhhhh gay sex is unnatural, can't make babies, blah blah blah. It has already been explained to you perfectly well why that is irrelevant. If you are aware that homosexuality is a private, personal matter and that the love shared by two homosexuals is equal to that shared by heterosexuals, AND you concede my point that it would not lead to extinction of the species, you've run out of legs to stand on. Your ridiculous 'that doesn't go there' schtick is absurd, because we have established that sex does not make the relationship, that some couples (of any leaning) do not have sex and the ones that do have sex don't always do it for the sake of procreation.
You've proven my last post absolutely correct with your hypothetical 'me and you in a pub' conversation. 'These things can happen, these things can go wrong, then again it didn't for me and you might be fine'. And if you'd just said that, there'd be less of a problem. But, and I can't emphasise this point enough, you are using the point to say why something is WRONG. You are trying to illustrate that pre-marital sex is something that should not be done because it is WRONG, based on the fact that it CAN cause these problems. You're completely biased, and refusing to acknowledge that the same problems can arise through marriage, planned pregnancies, heterosexual relationships and so on. If you are going to be consistent and argue that those things are also wrong, then be my guest. If you're not, retract the point, admit you don't know what you're talking about and admit that the cause of things like STDs is not the act of pre-marital sex itself, but rather an ignorance of safe sex practices. I have slept with over 30 women and have never once had an STD. I don't have trust issues, or confidence issues, or any other hangups you care to mention. Ergo, we can easily establish that there is no causal link between one and the other, which means you cannot use the statement to show that it is wrong. I don't think I can be any clearer, and I don't see at all how you can refute this. Retract the point, or argue that marriage is also wrong. Your choice.
I don't see why it matters whether or not we declare ourselves part of a 'group' or not. If you are going to make sweeping statements about groups of people, expect them to encompass members of the forum to whom you are making the statements, and expect those people to find your statements ignorant and/or offensive. Dressing it up in flowery language because you like me doesn't change the fact that what you're saying has no basis in fact and is simply a projection of what your preacher has told you. Ohhhhh gay sex is unnatural, can't make babies, blah blah blah. It has already been explained to you perfectly well why that is irrelevant. If you are aware that homosexuality is a private, personal matter and that the love shared by two homosexuals is equal to that shared by heterosexuals, AND you concede my point that it would not lead to extinction of the species, you've run out of legs to stand on. Your ridiculous 'that doesn't go there' schtick is absurd, because we have established that sex does not make the relationship, that some couples (of any leaning) do not have sex and the ones that do have sex don't always do it for the sake of procreation.
You've proven my last post absolutely correct with your hypothetical 'me and you in a pub' conversation. 'These things can happen, these things can go wrong, then again it didn't for me and you might be fine'. And if you'd just said that, there'd be less of a problem. But, and I can't emphasise this point enough, you are using the point to say why something is WRONG. You are trying to illustrate that pre-marital sex is something that should not be done because it is WRONG, based on the fact that it CAN cause these problems. You're completely biased, and refusing to acknowledge that the same problems can arise through marriage, planned pregnancies, heterosexual relationships and so on. If you are going to be consistent and argue that those things are also wrong, then be my guest. If you're not, retract the point, admit you don't know what you're talking about and admit that the cause of things like STDs is not the act of pre-marital sex itself, but rather an ignorance of safe sex practices. I have slept with over 30 women and have never once had an STD. I don't have trust issues, or confidence issues, or any other hangups you care to mention. Ergo, we can easily establish that there is no causal link between one and the other, which means you cannot use the statement to show that it is wrong. I don't think I can be any clearer, and I don't see at all how you can refute this. Retract the point, or argue that marriage is also wrong. Your choice.
