Homosexuals and Heaven

[salty]

I don't like how you use the word "wrong"... It has bad connotations in this subject.

You're right. Perhaps I should continue to use incorrect, instead.

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I've tried, Nap. I've tried three times to illustrate this. But no, the ding-dong isn't supposed to go up the shitpipe, you can't make babies there, ergo homosexuality is FUCKING IMMORAL.

Salty, how do you take yourself seriously when saying stuff like this? You are supposed to be explaining why something is immoral. What is the immoral action being performed in a homosexual relationship? If it's the fact that they're having sex for pleasure and not procreation, then they don't have the market cornered. If it's that they can't procreate full stop, then by this logic we should ostracise any members of society who cannot conceive naturally, because they're useless to what is apparently the only point of having a relationship, to be baby factories.

Wake up. Still waiting to hear what the immoral action is. Are you ever going to tell us what it is?

Go to dictionary.com and you will find the definition for moral is : of or concerned with right conduct.

The definition of homosexual is: a person sexually attracted to the same gender.

Right conduct can be determined by several things:
1. Religious belief
2. Family upbringing
3. Society
4. Your conscience
5. Circle of Influence

For something to be immoral it must oppose at least one of these.

Society deemed homosexual behavior immoral for quite a while and it is still not an accepted practice. I've had people that are not religious tell me they disagree as well, but what we both agree on, is that we cannot and will not make them change, they need to want to change. But to say "nothing is wrong" is to 1. Be deceived by society's view of moral behavior, the same society that killed slaves if one white woman claimed to have been looked at funny, the same society that said we had separate but equal schools, hospitals etc, the same society that expected women to stay in their place...society's idea of what is right changes like the seasons, and the person that stands against it is less than human. 2. Be deceived by the heart instead of the logic that tells us that two people of the same gender don't match up, instead you point to animals like homosexuals can't control themselves when they go into heat for mating season. I doubt they'd be happy with that comparison. Also, you will note that same gender encounters among animals isn't common, so if it's uncommon, it's unnatural.

concerning the right conduct again.
1. The bible states it is perverse.
2. If it was right in the family upbringing people wouldn't need to "come out of the closet."
3. People are still against it, ask my brother in law, we can't talk about it around the family.
4. There are homosexual people who are not comfortable with this desire in their own minds, some commit suicide, some hide it their whole lives and marry a woman to practice in secret, some refuse to practice and some practice.
5. If it was right it wouldn't be difficult to tell friends that you're gay and it wouldn't ruin relationships in families.

Whether you feel it is right conduct or otherwise, there are plenty of people who think it is immoral. As was stated, there are still people that think it's immoral for interracial marriage, I know this, I caused quite a stir when they found out I was Black. In the end, thinking something is immoral and pushing your beliefs on someone else are two different things. My brother in law is gay and I'm against it, but I don't make it my business to state how I feel about their relationship unless asked, and I don't make it a priority to act in a way that makes them uncomfortable or hurt or judged.

All of you seem to have this idea that I go around telling people what to do. You're mistaken. I came into this thread I noticed that el Dinero asked a question and I addressed all sexual issues, because a lot of Christians are involved in fornication and they think they have a right to be disgusted with people who are involved in homosexuality. I think all of the sexual sins are a deviation from right conduct, therefore immoral. I have practiced immoral sexual behavior so I don't come after people about it, because the bible says, in the same measure that you judge others, you will be judged. So I usually keep all this to myself, but with the way you all are reacting, it seems like I stop people in the street...calm down.