God: Proofs of non-existence and existence.

[athoughtfulman]

I don't think I said 'realm'. I said dimension. Occupying the same place as us but in another dimension. As far as I know, this is the closest we can get with current language for understanding scientifically the premise. The truth statement from the Bible is that God is beyond understanding, which puts him/her outside the reach of scientific measurement.

If God is in the whole universe at once then how do you quantify him/her? It's not as easy as thinking of some old dude sitting on a cloud kind of entity.

@ thoughtful: I don't see how we use different methods to validate claims. I don't 'claim' there to be a demonstrably provable God. I claim the opposite. I rely on the same claims as you for everything science covers.

Ok, you did say realm.

Meantime... why do you insist something that doesn't exist in the realm of discernible proof by definition has to be proved in the realm of discernible proof?

The truth statement from the bible is just as unverifiable as any other religious claim. Sure, it makes sense to assert that God is beyond scientific measure, and that even our best attempts to quantify him/her will fall far short.

Science covers the domain of things provable by observable, empirical evidence. Anything outside that domain is unverifiable by science, I'll give you that.

But if you believe religion is in another realm or dimension (whichever you choose), there is still the question of how to discern which religion is true.

If science cannot understand religion as a whole, then there is no demonstrable proof that any religion is true, which begs the question, is there any evidence at all to suggest your version of Christianity is true? Or will you admit that you take it as faith, at which point, like I've already said, there is no point in continuing the discussion.