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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 4:07 pm
OK, let me put it this way:
If you ask me what happens when we die, I'll say "I don't know", which is the only really honest answer. We don't know much about the nature of consciousness.
If you ask me to speculate, with plenty of "perhaps" and "maybes" thrown in, I'll say I think reincarnation is a more likely model than others (Heaven, Hell, etc).
The Heaven-Hell model doesn't answer where we came from before we were born. If there is such a thing as "souls" and these things are eternal, then there must be a "herebefore" as well as a "hereafter".
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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 4:18 pm
(December 20, 2011 at 4:07 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: The Heaven-Hell model doesn't answer where we came from before we were born. If there is such a thing as "souls" and these things are eternal, then there must be a "herebefore" as well as a "hereafter".
Amazing point, I've never even given consideration to this while debating fundamentalists. What or where was the soul before it belonged to you? Plenty of people can make comments about what happens afterwards, but I doubt very many consider where it is before hand.
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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 4:20 pm
My personal hell would be not being able to shoot high powered lasers from my hands...
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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 4:39 pm
i suppose reincarnation as something would be plausible if the soul wasnt a figmant of underactive religious and wishthinking minds.
if it was true, whose to say we'd be human or an intelligent lifeform?
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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 4:46 pm
My personal hell is being locked in a room with walls comprised entirely of televisions playing 'Yo Gabba Gabba' on an infinite loop.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 4:48 pm
My personal hell would be becoming trapped within the body of the pope, but not being able to control him.
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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Um... my personal hell would be being trapped in the body of the pope's altar boy and being unable to get his dick out of my asshole.
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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 5:23 pm
(December 20, 2011 at 4:18 pm)Perhaps Wrote: (December 20, 2011 at 4:07 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: The Heaven-Hell model doesn't answer where we came from before we were born. If there is such a thing as "souls" and these things are eternal, then there must be a "herebefore" as well as a "hereafter".
Amazing point, I've never even given consideration to this while debating fundamentalists. What or where was the soul before it belonged to you? Plenty of people can make comments about what happens afterwards, but I doubt very many consider where it is before hand.
Thank you. I'd first asked that question when I was a very young child, long before I'd even thought of death. Mom and dad were talking with some others about a vacation they'd taken. I asked why I didn't remember it. They told me it was before I was born. Where was I then, I wondered? The idea that I didn't exist at some point in the past broke my very young brain. Long before I knew the word "sentience" or could have even said it, I found consciousness and the experience of reality from one sole perspective to be mind boggling.
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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 5:23 pm
My personal hell would be stuck in a large room full of hot women who have absolutely no interest in sex.
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RE: Your Personal Hell Deluxe
December 20, 2011 at 5:32 pm
...is that possible with you around?
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