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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 4:49 am
(January 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm)chipan Wrote: ok i've watched your video KichigaiNeko and you didn't really explain it right. it does have nothing to do with the solstice
Go look at it again dear...you must have gone for a coffee
(January 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm)chipan Wrote: it has to do with comparing the Egyption gods with the Christian/Jewish God. and your right, there are some Egyption gods that are similar to the Christian/Jewish God, but what do you expect? they had hundreds of gods. do you think maybe one of them could have similar charictoristics to any god? i'm sure you could take any Egyption god and compare it to any other god from any other religion and see similarities. i've heard a better arguement that the Christian Jewish god is similar to the Hindu god brahma.
Brahma is a law giver...and of course you would rather that. Your bias is away from anything Egyptian...but that is not all you again must have gone for a coffee/ loo break as Horus is not the only "god" that matches your jeebus...story line for story line... The joke is on you.
(January 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm)chipan Wrote: why is carbon dating inaccurate? it is based off the carbon 14 to carbon 12 ratio in all organic material. new carbon 14 is created in the atmosphere due to radiation from the sun enriching the carbon atoms. organisms absorb carbon from the atmosphere through the carbon cycle. so until the organism dies, it will have the same carbon 14 to carbon 12 ratio as in the atmosphere and when it dies it will stop getting new carbon and the carbon 14 will decay more and more until it's gone and they calculate the carbon 14 will completely deplete in 50,000 to 60,000 years (this is according to scientists and is a fact). it seams like a good dating method except how do you get your starting ratio? well scientists base the current atmospheric ratio of carbon 14 to carbon 12 in the atmosphere for their starting ratio. what's wrong with this? it's ASSUMING that the carbon 14 ratio to the carbon 12 ratio is constant in the atmosphere no matter what time period it is (or at least that it has been for the past 50,000 years). this is not true. as i said more carbon 14 is created from the sun's radiation and we are exposed to it more and more (some think it's because of a weakening ozone layer) and because of this it gets more and more inaccurate the older it is because they did not have the same carbon 14 to carbon 12 ratio in the atmosphere as they do now.
As far as I know inaccuracy in carbon dating is a xtian dream. You have to make a great many ASSUMPTIONS to make YOUR version fit your dream.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 5:06 am
KichigaiNeko Wrote:Brahma is a law giver...and of course you would rather that. Your bias is away from anything Egyptian...but that is not all you again must have gone for a coffee/ loo break as Horus is not the only "god" that matches your jeebus
no i saw that. it just goes to show that yes, they have multiple gods that are similar to God in different ways. this isn't because it's based on their gods but because they have a multitude of gods there are gonna be some that are similar and different. and that arguement someone presented to me about God being based on Brahma has nothing to do with my bias. they pointed out he was a 3 in one god (creator, destroyer, perserverior) just as the christian god is.
KichigaiNeko Wrote:As far as I know inaccuracy in carbon dating is a xtian dream. You have to make a great many ASSUMPTIONS to make YOUR version fit your dream.
as far as you know? well what do you know about the process of carbon dating? is the system i explained accurate to how carbon dating works? if it's not can you point out what's wrong with it?
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 5:22 am
You are still being obtuse.... all of these gods predated the OT....
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 5:31 am
(January 7, 2012 at 5:06 am)chipan Wrote: as far as you know? well what do you know about the process of carbon dating? is the system i explained accurate to how carbon dating works? if it's not can you point out what's wrong with it?
In your mind the only thing wrong with it is that it doesn't show the earth to be 6000 years old.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 5:42 am
KichigaiNeko Wrote:You are still being obtuse.... all of these gods predated the OT....
yes, and so did many other gods that had no similarities to the god of Christianity/Judiasm
Zen Badger Wrote:In your mind the only thing wrong with it is that it doesn't show the earth to be 6000 years old.
no, if you read my description about it and got that then you did not interpret it accurately. i have listed what i find wrong with carbon dating and if i knew about this inaccuracy but it still gave no dates older than 6000 years old then i would speak of them. i would probably not know of them however because i'm not someone who works with them. but i say these things because they are true, not because they are false. i would never lie to try and convince others of what i believe; if what i believe is true i don't need to lie.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 5:44 am
Have you ever considered going back to elementary school and doing science 101??
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 5:47 am
(January 7, 2012 at 5:44 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Have you ever considered going back to elementary school and doing science 101??
why? did you find something wrong with my description and care to share? or are you just saying "it's stupid" as a way to reject what i have to say for no reason?
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 5:49 am
(January 7, 2012 at 5:47 am)chipan Wrote: (January 7, 2012 at 5:44 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Have you ever considered going back to elementary school and doing science 101??
why? did you find something wrong with my description and care to share? or are you just saying "it's stupid" as a way to reject what i have to say for no reason?
Sorry chip...this forum is not a teaching forum...most of the atheist people on here have tertiary science at least under their belts
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 5:50 am
(January 7, 2012 at 5:06 am)chipan Wrote: nas far as you know? well what do you know about the process of carbon dating? is the system i explained accurate to how carbon dating works? if it's not can you point out what's wrong with it?
What's wrong with your explanation is that you conveniently fail to mention that the variable rates of C14 production and C14/C12 ratios are well understood, that calibration is done to account for them, and that you have no point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon...alibration
If you have any other gross misconceptions about radiocarbon dating, I'll be happy to disabuse you of them.
P.S. Stop listening to apologetic fuckwits. They're lying to you.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
January 7, 2012 at 6:15 am
(January 7, 2012 at 5:50 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (January 7, 2012 at 5:06 am)chipan Wrote: nas far as you know? well what do you know about the process of carbon dating? is the system i explained accurate to how carbon dating works? if it's not can you point out what's wrong with it?
What's wrong with your explanation is that you conveniently fail to mention that the variable rates of C14 production and C14/C12 ratios are well understood, that calibration is done to account for them, and that you have no point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon...alibration
If you have any other gross misconceptions about radiocarbon dating, I'll be happy to disabuse you of them.
P.S. Stop listening to apologetic fuckwits. They're lying to you.
I would also add chip, that you go back to a non-religious school and learn how to communicate and understand science. Just sayin
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