[split] VckyRo pontificates about Communism (the kind with a big C)

[kılıç_mehmet]

Given the butt-buddy relationship between the orthodox church and the Romanov dynasty I can certainly see why the Russian revolutionaries would have been royally pissed at churches. The same thing happened in France in 1789 with the catholics and they deserved it too.

Nonetheless, Stalin killed a bunch of Ukrainian Kulaks because of forced collectivization - not because they believed in some half-assed god and he didn't.

Stalin didn't just kill Khokols, he also killed a lot of my people, Tatars.
Not because they were mussulman, but because they were anti-communist.
Ukrainians and most others were sick and tired of the bullshit of Stalin and the communist party.
They actively collaborated with the invading German Army. Hitler's only mistake was his untimely attack. Maybe they would have been able to beat back the red menace.
Then we Tatars may even had our own state out of it.

[reverendjeremiah]

So what if Stalin did kill people because they were religious...what does that have to do with other atheists? What does that have to do with atheism?

All atheism means is "not religious", or "not theist", or "non god believer" - Whichever one you prefer.

Show me where it says in the definition of atheism to "kill the religious" or "You must be a Communist"

Christians, on the other hand, have this book called the "bible". And in it are some awefully horrible things that Christians are commanded to do. One of those verses was calling the Jews "A brood of vipers" and "the synagogue of satan".

Hitler used these bible verses alot. He even said he was fighting the jews in the name of Jesus. Now, if Hitler was an atheist, and the Nazi's were atheists, then why would they stand behind bible verses?

Here...let me show you.

ATHEIST ON THIS FORUM - ATTENTION!!!

Is the bible correct when it calls Jews the synagogue of satan, broods of vipers, and the killers of Jesus?

(lets see what they answer with...)

[kılıç_mehmet]

Is the bible correct when it calls Jews the synagogue of satan, broods of vipers, and the killers of Jesus?

Obviously, yes. If we speak according to the bible, the jews were responsible for the death of Jesus.
And well, if they're not God's synagogue, they have to be the synagogue of Satan, that's correct.
And besides, Jesus, a jew himself called out to the pharisees, and told them that they were a brood of vipers.
The same jesus who saved a woman from being stoned by them.
Obviously, I think the bible is as anti-semitic as someone would like it to be.
Like Luther. However, he does not just use the new testament, but the old testament too, giving them a taste of their own medicine.
Ever read "On Jews and their lies"?
Jews and christians must have had some long-standing theological debate at that time, I think.

[KichigaiNeko]

For your reading pleasure....
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opi...5985225478

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, I have to admit that Israel is involved in a few conspiracies(real ones) and target of conspiracy theories.
I believe in some, in some I don't.
As for the international Jewry and any assorted conspiracy theories, I don't know, I never though of jews as that powerful. If they were so powerful, and blessed by their God, they would have been able to revert the number of misfortunes they had faced throughout history.
But it's obvious that there is a certain dislike for their kind around the globe. It certainly must have it's reasons.

[KichigaiNeko]

Well, I have to admit that Israel is involved in a few conspiracies(real ones) and target of conspiracy theories.
I believe in some, in some I don't.
As for the international Jewry and any assorted conspiracy theories, I don't know, I never though of jews as that powerful. If they were so powerful, and blessed by their God, they would have been able to revert the number of misfortunes they had faced throughout history.
But it's obvious that there is a certain dislike for their kind around the globe. It certainly must have it's reasons.

Again are we talking about fundamentalists or just your neighbour?

Fundamentalists can all go and get themselves shot for all I care. It is the backlash onto your ordinary person who causes no harm that irks me the most. From ANY religious persuasion / superstition

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, I have to admit that Israel is involved in a few conspiracies(real ones) and target of conspiracy theories.
I believe in some, in some I don't.
As for the international Jewry and any assorted conspiracy theories, I don't know, I never though of jews as that powerful. If they were so powerful, and blessed by their God, they would have been able to revert the number of misfortunes they had faced throughout history.
But it's obvious that there is a certain dislike for their kind around the globe. It certainly must have it's reasons.

Again are we talking about fundamentalists or just your neighbour?

Fundamentalists can all go and get themselves shot for all I care. It is the backlash onto your ordinary person who causes no harm that irks me the most. From ANY religious persuasion / superstition

I don't think that today's anti-israeli sentiment comes from the religious jews, orthodox, hasids or whatever.

[KichigaiNeko]

Perhaps it is because I am Australian and far removed from the source of irritation?? Namely Israel??

[kılıç_mehmet]

Perhaps it is because I am Australian and far removed from the source of irritation?? Namely Israel??

Well, it doesn't really matter if I live closeby. I'm not particularly concerned about Israelis or Jews, I never met a single one in my entire life.

[KichigaiNeko]

Perhaps it is because I am Australian and far removed from the source of irritation?? Namely Israel??

Well, it doesn't really matter if I live closeby. I'm not particularly concerned about Israelis or Jews, I never met a single one in my entire life.

Really?? Yet you hold such seemingly strong views. Or am i mistaken??

Maybe the reason you haven't met many is because they are all over here in Australia. I have met many over many decades and found them to be just nice people, same with muslims, hindus, xtians et al.

I think I have stated elsewhere that it is the "fundies" that irritate me the most. I don't go knocking on your door to "give you the good news" so I expect you not to do the same to me.