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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm
I know, right? It's like a huge wall of stupid. I love it when Captain Dumbass calls other people willfully ignorant.
Acke, you fail to address the fundamentals of your assertion, thus leaving it to sound like a bunch of nonsense. It's like building a house without a foundation. Until you address what "god" is and what "meaning" god lends to life and death, all you have is a bunch of bullshit. You have a better chance of teaching an elephant yoga.
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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 12:26 pm
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There is so much bullshit on that post that I don't even know where to begin!
I think Leo made the first of these fundamental questions, but he dismissed it, answer damn you! And try to be more coherent.
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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 1:33 pm
God: Sentience as universal constant.
Meaning: God's purpose.
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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Yeah, that means nothing except you can string words together.
A. Sentience is not a universal constant or at least cannot be shown to be. You have no idea what exists as far as sentience beyond this world and therefore are dead in the water from the word go.
B. Without sentient beings, there would be no sentience, but somehow life, matter, energy would all likely persist. Life is not necessary to this, though.
C. Even if sentience were a universal constant, how would that be automatically defined as god's purpose?
Come on, Acke. You are giving assertions as "proof." It's beyond ridiculous.
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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 1:48 pm
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(January 6, 2012 at 11:45 am)amkerman Wrote: Everyone else: willful ignorance. You wish. You claim to comprehend an incomprehensible deity/creator and yet cannot use lowly quote tags, spell-checkers and sentence structure. I guess that's our wilful ignorance talking again isn't it?
You're a pathetic troll. >.>
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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm
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Shell I never said I could prove anything. I made a logical argument.
"B. Without sentient beings, there would be no sentience, but somehow life, matter, energy would all likely persist. Life is not necessary to this, though."
- proof? what evidence do you have that things persist absent consciousness?
You are the one who is offering baseless assertions and presenting them as facts, not me.
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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I didn't make the assertion. You did. The burden of proof is on you.
The argument was not logical. It was just an argument.
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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm
I made the assertion "Without sentient beings, there would be no sentience, but somehow life, matter, energy would all likely persist. Life is not necessary to this, though. "? Really?
- willful ignorance
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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm
amkerman does make a few decent points. It is possible to hold a discussion with someone who holds opposite points of view, it need not always end in a winner and a loser, but rather a civil discussion about what 'could be'. In all honesty, both amkerman and everyone else is making assumptions about the power of our knowledge asserted through consciousness. A realist neglects what is past themselves - they only see what knowledge they have now and assert that anything beyond said knowledge is false or non-existent. A progressive or futurist can see beyond our current knowledge and assume things beyond the consciousness. Regardless, these are both assumptions about what exists outside of our knowledge. It cannot be proven, but it is interesting to talk about and especially to think about.
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RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 2:43 pm
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(January 6, 2012 at 12:26 pm)LastPoet Wrote: There is so much bullshit on that post that I don't even know where to begin!
I think Leo made the first of these fundamental questions, but he dismissed it, answer damn you! And try to be more coherent.
Never attribute to design what can be explained by standard issue christian stupidity.
(January 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm)Perhaps Wrote: amkerman does make a few decent points. It is possible to hold a discussion with someone who holds opposite points of view, it need not always end in a winner and a loser, but rather a civil discussion about what 'could be'. In all honesty, both amkerman and everyone else is making assumptions about the power of our knowledge asserted through consciousness. A realist neglects what is past themselves - they only see what knowledge they have now and assert that anything beyond said knowledge is false or non-existent. A progressive or futurist can see beyond our current knowledge and assume things beyond the consciousness. Regardless, these are both assumptions about what exists outside of our knowledge. It cannot be proven, but it is interesting to talk about and especially to think about.
You are not even a christian, how can you be that stupid?
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