11 reasons god doesn't exist.

[Cosmic Ape]

You don't even need 11 reasons, you can sum it up into one if defined properly.

[Nyx]

The only way we can know if god exists, is to perhaps drown a member of the forum..? Then revive them swiftly using defibrilators. Then they may come back on here and prove us all right/wrong! However, this would still only be a first person experience, as you can't take a camera into death with you. ):

My question now is... Who's going to volunteer to be drowned?

Theoretically, if there was an afterlife to experience, you wouldn't remember it anyway because memory is stored in the brain which becomes non-functional in death. You couldn't remember your existence in this life nor could you carry any memory of that on coming back to this world.

But if souls do carry memory independent of the brain, why can't this be done with people who have Alzheimer's, amnesia or just too much to drink the night before?

Then theorectically when I die I will feel No pain since my brain is No longer functioning. The brain also controls pain sensory as well. And since you assume my retched soul (because it's our souls that go to heaven) is going to hell, rest assure I will not feel the fire and brownstone.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I will not feel the fire and brownstone.

Sorry Ziva,it's 'brimstone'

[Nyx]

I will not feel the fire and brownstone.

Sorry Ziva,it's 'brimstone'

Indeed it is. I'm using tapatalk sonofbitchin autocorrect.

[Rokcet Scientist]

I will not feel the fire and brownstone.

Sorry Ziva,it's 'brimstone'

Indeed it is. I'm using tapatalk sonofbitchin autocorrect.

You don't know that, Nyx!
Maybe he envisages whole NY city blocks raining down.

[Cyrinistar]

"The bible is wrong" would absolutely mean that the christian god, specifically, doesn't exist.  Rinse and repeat with all the rest.  Arguing deism and then naming it Jehovah just for the hell of it is complete bullshit.  Theistic gods are absolute trash, every single one of them.  The deist's god is a functional non-entity.  Theistic gods have evidence aligned against them, deist's gods have no evidence behind them.  So where does that leave us?

Hardliners on either side might retort with "what evidence could there be and how would we find it?"  I challenge you to imagine a god for which there would be no material evidence.  

Of course God id not real. A crazy insane man that made the universe and us with a flick of a hand? Ha!

[Excited Penguin]

"The bible is wrong" would absolutely mean that the christian god, specifically, doesn't exist.  Rinse and repeat with all the rest.  Arguing deism and then naming it Jehovah just for the hell of it is complete bullshit.  Theistic gods are absolute trash, every single one of them.  The deist's god is a functional non-entity.  Theistic gods have evidence aligned against them, deist's gods have no evidence behind them.  So where does that leave us?

Hardliners on either side might retort with "what evidence could there be and how would we find it?"  I challenge you to imagine a god for which there would be no material evidence.  

Of course God id not real. A crazy insane man that made the universe and us with a flick of a hand? Ha!

Introduce yourself. 

[Alex K]

How do people find these threads? Was there even internet back then?

[Excited Penguin]

How do people find these threads? Was there even internet back then?

Alex! It's mean to make fun of the losers who frequented the forum back then!  

[Drich]

FUN!!!! Welcome brave heart! i look forward to reading your replies!

Don't quote me on this stuff. I copied it! But it makes sense!

1. There is no Geological proof of the great flood.

Actualy there is, 'science' or more specifically those who pretend to use science to dispell the flood, just do not understand how to look at the evidence.

In that There are two types (really three if you count coastal but for this arguement we will discuss the 2 main types that concern genesis) of floods the first is an 'intrusion' flood (Fluvial flooding) this is typically where a body of water over fills and pours out to a dry area, 'pushing' debris along with it. This is the type of flooding most people who says there is no evidence for world wide flooding, they are talking about the evidence typlically left behind this type of flood. Meaning there is no evidence for a global intrusion flood.

This is true, but at the same time the bible never says the world was consumed only by an intrusion flood.(Fluvial) So that beggs the question what other types of flooding are there? there is also 'saturation flooding' (or Pluvial) while not as common as intrusion flooding saturation flooding is from the ground up and not for point a to point b, meaning no debris is being pushed. Swamp land is a great example of natural reoccurring saturation flooding.

Now while I am not saying no intrusion flooding took place during noah's flood, the bible specifically tells us the ground opened up and water poured out of it which describes saturation flood conditions.

This means it is still plausible that a world wide flood has taken place even though there is not global evidence of "Fluvial" flooding.

2. Adam and Eve could not have existed because fossil records CLEARLY show that dinosaurs and earlier forms of life came 3 BILLION years before humans.

IDK, But what if... God created Adam and Eve 1st (kinda like the bible says) and placed them in a separate place... kinda like a garden.. but not just any Garden a perfect one, like a "Garden of Eden" type of perfect place? and they stayed in that garden from the 3 day of creation to about 6000 years ago??? And what if everything outside that garden was allowed to 'evolve naturally?'

3. Evolution has shown that we developed from apes, we haven't just stayed the same.

So? God created Man or Rather Adam and Eve gave them souls, and worked with them exclusively for a hundred billion years or whatever trivial number 'science' wants to put on evolution. while everything outside the garden naturally evolved. That would explain where the city came from that cain fled to, that would explain the husbands and wives Adam's children married it would pretty much sow up every 'paradox' there is with the genesis account.

In that rather thinking it is one or the other, simply ask yourself why couldn't both happen at the same time?

In short, there is no time line mentioned between the last day of creation and the day Eve took the bite of forbidden fruit. This means it could have been a day, or 100 bazillion years (or however long science wants to say now that 'evolution' took)

Outside of stepping on some old pope's toes there is nothing scripturally that put a time line on the last day of creation and the first day out of the garden.

The only time lines we have are from now to Christ, Christ back to the exodus of the garden of eden (Which happened 6000 years or so ago.) Again we have no idea how long they stayed in the garden.

4. The fact that there are religions older than Christianity, why would Jesus come only recently, when humans have existed for roughly 2 Million years.

who says he didn't? even the Jews speak of a 'Christ' like intervention in the form of the high priest, Melchizedek

5. 'Angels' and messengers from God seem to only have appeared 2000 years ago, and very frequently, why don't they anymore?

Because we call them by different names now. In the medical world there are known as "unexplained medical anomaly" as in I had AIDS and an Unexplained medical anomaly cured me of it. In the atheist world Angels are known as 'luckie' or luck. Meaning your are luckie to not been killed in that accident. Then other times (as with just about every example where angels are not anouncing like the comming of Jesus) they are dressed as homless or people in need. and now they are simply (for the most part) ignored.

However every now and then someone does help an angel dressed as a person in need, and that person who helps them is made aware, but people who don't want to believe in God will just simply mock the one who has meet sat with and talked to a messenger of the almighty God. Rather than seek an audience with one themselves.

6. There are bad things in the world, why doesn't God stop them, if he loves us with all his heart? Letting someone suffer relentlessly, when you have the power to stop the pain easily, is not love.

Where in the bible does it say God loves us with all of his heart? Would it surprise you that we are commanded to love God with all of our being (which includes our hearts) But it does NOT say God inturn does the same nor is He obligated to.. The Bible or rather John 3:16 tells us God's love is conditional. In that we must believe to receive the Love of God. Once we do that God's love is indeed boundless. but before that... God is not bound in any way to love everyone. In fact there is a list of people written out in the bible in whom God Hates.

That said love=/= easy or good life. The bible tells us Satan is the master of this world, and if Jesus the son of God who knew no sin was not spared Hardship, then why should we expect any different?

7. A woman cannot have a baby and still be a virgin, simple as that.

There are 50+ examples of virgin births in modern times. Simple as a google search.

8. There are things that ARE impossible, even to God, such as: you cannot add 2 and 2 to equal 198, you cannot take 6 away from 2 without equalling a negative number.

So?

9. If god is so forgiving, why did he create a hell?

Not everyone wants to be forgiven not everyone wants to worship and serve the God of the bible. Do you think the ISIS fighters would serve the God of the bible? Do you think a hard core atheist would?

10.

Why are children born dead, and with diseases and disabilities, they didn't do anything wrong did they?

Why is death a measure of anything let alone immorality? why does suffering mean evil to you?
Without suffering and trouble 'we' would still be in the stone ages. There would never be a push for cultivation, or societies bigger than the camps or tribes of the plains Indians..

Just look at the technological 'bump' Europeans had over the rest of the world because their lives/their lands forced them to develop and fight for ever better technology to survive. Verse the American Indians who lived in a land of plenty, and as little as 400 years ago still lived in a literal stone age because there was no need to ever develop anything besides stone tools, till it was too late, then they could not bridge a 10,000 year gap in a couple generations.

We all die. No one has the 'right' to a 100 year life. only the wicked rue God for not having a lazy existence.

So speak for yourself I rather enjoy this world and know many died before me to provide me with my comforts. And i thank them for their deaths to push and help forge society to where and what it is today.

And if you still are not convinced, here is the big whammy:

11. IF GOD CAN DO ANYTHING, CAN HE BUILD A ROCK SO HEAVY, THAT EVEN HE CAN'T CARRY?
To do such a thing is impossible if he can do anything, because if he can't lift the rock, he can't do everything, therefore the Bible is wrong, therefore God is not real.

:panic: :panic: Oh noes what will I do?!??!? :panic everything I said just went out the window!!!

:roflol:

I love new members they are so cute with their "mind" blowing paradoxes...
:jerkoff:

Ok, Sport.. What IF... The bible Never said God was an omni max God meaning all powerful, all loving, all rock creating all whatever...

So, What IF.. God Describes Himself in the bible as the Alpha and Omega, The beginning and end to all things? Rather than the 'Omni-max' God of the catholic church?

What does this mean, Alpha and Omega? it means God has the final say on what he will or wont/can't do.
It is God's version or rather correct way of describing what truly amounts to as an all mighty being is..

Meaning Can God create a rock so big He can't lift it? Yes! ONLY IF He wants to. If He doesn't Then an Alpha and Omega God Can't/won't. It means the God of the bible is bigger than a 6th grader's paradox.

You and the douche, i mean 'smart guy'/deep philosophical thinker who came up with this paradox (and all the rest) do so on the catholic church's description of God rather than What God Himself says about Himself in the bible.. The thing is the God of the bible is a little bigger than what religion can paint

So congrats you dispelled the catholic church's official version of God, however the God described in and by the bible is still intact.

It amazes me that a foundational description attributed to the direct word of God Himself so quickly and easily dispatched a "sure thing" or a "big whammy."