More Ron Bashing

[reverendjeremiah]

Everyone on this site critcizes Paul, but do you ever provide a better, more realistic alternative?.

The owner and founder of this site supports Paul. Many others also support him.

Stop being such a drama queen.

[reverendjeremiah]

Here I am, on Youtube, trying desperatley to explain to the Ron Paul supporters how the system works, yet they scream and foam at the mouth to me that i am a complete dumb ass when it comes to civics. The Department of Education Organization Act was created by congress and the senate in 1980. The president just cant walk right into his office and say "I am shutting down the dept of education"

Half of the Ron Paul supporters flat out claim that Ron Paul can shut down the Dept of education with a swipe of his hand. And no matter how many links I send them explaining how our checks and balances work they would rather tell me that I am the one who is uneducated.

The other half say that Paul would shut it down by firing all of the employees for these departments he wants to shut down. And because I dont agree with that then I am a stupid anti-constitutionalist.

Ron Paul just cant fire the entire staff of a government department and not replace it. Sure, he can REPLACE a handful of people in recess appointments, but our Legislative branch has this thing called "comittees" that oversee the departments that have been created through legislative acts. How long do you think congress will allow these departments to be unmanned before they come together and start appointing employees to fill in the legislated postitions? How long do you think this would carry on before congress brought Paul up for trial for failing to follow his constitutional duties?

Article 2, Section 2, clause 1 of the constitution says "The President is the military's commander-in-chief; however Article One gives Congress and not the President the authority to declare war."

Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 of the constitution says: "He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments."

- We are at "war", officially, with "terror". This war was encated by a constitutionally acceptable vote of congress. Ron Paul cannot constitutionally stop this war by himself without the ADVICE and CONSENT of 2/3rds of the SENATE...so his claims that he will stop the war are false. Obama claimed he would stop the war, has he done it yet? No. Because he cant do that according tothe Constitution.

Article 2, Section 2, clause 3 of the constitution says: "The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

-This means that even though the president has the power to hire and fire people in SOME departments, that he MUST, by the constitution, "fill up vacancies" even if it is done in recess. I hve heard many Paul supporters say that Paul can shut down all of these govt departments when congress is in recess. I have also been called un-american and stupid for pointing out their error. If Paul did something that HUGE, congress would come together and make a BIG media stink about it. They would then OVER RIDE Paul's wishes and follow the constitution by filling vacancies that Paul refused to fill. Ron Paul would then be brought up on charges for failing in his executive duties.

Article 2, section 3: "He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States."

- the president MUST fullfil the wishes of the Legislative branch, who are supposed to be the representatives of the people, by the people, and for the people. The president is not some king or dictator.

Here is the Department of education organization act of 1980 as approved by congress as PUBLIC LAW.
http://history.nih.gov/research/downloads/PL96-88.pdf

If Ron Paul fires everyone in this department, and tries to shut it down either during congress or as a recess, you will see congress come together, over ride him, and reappoint everyone he fired as fast as you can say "Impeachment".

Now, I am sick and tired of Libertarians claiming I dont know the constitution, or that I am stupid for not supporting Ron Paul. Now that I have shown those Ron Paul supporters on this forum what the constitution says, allow me once again to show Ron Pauls most famous advertisement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXCZVmQ74OA

Now that you have actually SEEN the constitution, you have to admit that everything in this commercial is a complete fabrication. Ron Paul isnt stupid. He HAS to know that everything that is said in this ad he will not have the power to do, yet he still endorsed it. Why? Because he knows the vast majority of his supporters arent very knowledgable about the constitional articles of the seperation of powers.

[RW_9]

Here would be a fun experiment for anyone here that is a student or faculty member at a respected university: go to your political science department and try to find any faculty member that takes Ron Paul seriously.

[reverendjeremiah]

Here would be a fun experiment for anyone here that is a student or faculty member at a respected university: go to your political science department and try to find any faculty member that takes Ron Paul seriously.

LOL...I would love to see the results of that.

[RW_9]

And if you do find one at a respected university, I would love their public faculty email address so I can discuss it with them.

[5thHorseman]

The executive powers if the President are actually quite weak, but then you duo vote in 535 other politicians, so he can't always have his way. Thankfully if a libertarian ever does get it, they would never be able to get rid of the dept of education.

[reverendjeremiah]

http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Ron_Paul

Ron Paul is an evangelical fundamentalist Christian who does not accept evolution. When asked about his response in a recent debate regarding acceptance of the theory of evolution and if it should be taught in public schools, he responded:

At first I thought it was a very inappropriate question for the presidency to be decided on a scientific matter and I think it's a theory... the theory of evolution and I don't accept it as a theory.

He did not answer whether he supported teaching of it in public schools.

His answer betrays the fact that he does not understand the difference between everyday use of 'theory' (a guess or conjecture) and the scientific use of theory

Ron Paul's "We The People Act" would:

reverse not only Roe v Wade but Griswold v Connecticut and Lawrence v Texas and every other ruling related to a right to privacy as well. That means the states could once again outlaw homosexuality and the use of contraception (and if you don’t think there are powerful political interests that favor doing both of those things, you haven’t been paying attention). It erases virtually every single church/state ruling in the last century, allowing public schools to once again force students to read the Bible aloud and to recite state-composed and mandated prayers. That is every bit as crazy as Newt Gingrich’s absolutely insane anti-judiciary policy proposals. And it is an absolute deal-breaker for me."

no minimum wage, shutting down of the borders, no EPA, He also supports the existence of monopolies...all of this in the guise of supporting "the free market"

Ron Paul also wants to end social security and medicare/medicaid. He has also sponsered and introduced several acts to consider "life starting at inseption" which would make abortions murder.

Ron claims to be a strict constitutionalist, yet when it came to flag burning (a 1st amendment protection) he would have gladly ignored the seperation of powers and the job of the judicial branch to translate in the name of "states rights". What other 1st amendment rights would he have gladly removed from the supreme court and allowed states to interpret instead? He has also opposed stem cell research.

He is opposed to govt helping victims of disaster, opposed to damn near any tax as "theft", opposes birthright citizenship as described in the constitution, completely opposed to civil rights, repeal the 14th 16th and 17th amendment, does not believe in the seperation of church and state, does not believe the 1st amendment of the federal constitution applies to states, ...

Ron Paul also flip flops ("Im a strict constitutionalist" vs his obvious anti bill of rights views)

Depending upon who Ron Paul is talking to, his rhetoric is more or less radical, but he's never backed off his claims of completely shutting down a huge area of government departments and services, and whenever he's asked about how society would function, his standard response is to evade the question and spew a red herring: "Why do you hate the Constitution? None of these things are Constitutional"

[5thHorseman]

I've seenn him on a youtube video saying he doesn't like separation of church and state.

[reverendjeremiah]

i dont know about you, but no way...IN HELL...would I speak in front of the naval jack of the confederacy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMK0TRRlE...r_embedded

He does the SAME OLD SAME OLD that all the other racists use. The civil war was about states rights.

What they will not admit that it was over the right for states to have slavery. It has ALWAYS been about that, yet they want to re-write history. And HEY, look here, Ron Paul is using the same old tired re-written history of the Civil war that the racists use.

[paintpooper]

EPA lie. Not destroyed cut by 30% please stop saying eliminate it. Go read this again. http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ro...e-america/
As a free-market environmentalist, Paul sees polluters as aggressors who should not be granted immunity or otherwise insulated from accountability.

He is not a racist, thats a lie. The only true way to end racism is end the laws that help a certain race over another. We are all equal.
If you think some little line at the bottom of an application really stops people from being subjective when they choose applicants, then you are naive. If someone doesn't want to hire you cause you are black or gay or something... they just won't hire you. The law can't protect that. The only fix is to educate the idiot who does not want to hire someone based on something that has nothing to do with the ability to do a certain job or task.

Stem cells.
Paul supports stem-cell research generically, as evidenced by his authoring the Cures Can Be Found Act of 2007 (H.R. 457; H.R. 3444 in 2005), a bill "to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide credits against income tax for qualified stem cell research, the storage of qualified stem cells, and the donation of umbilical cord blood"

Medicare. Paul has said that although he prefers tax credits to socialized medicine, he would be willing to "prop up" the current systems of Medicare and Medicaid with money saved by bringing troops home from foreign bases in places such as those in South Korea. He thinks there are better alternatives but not going to just get rid of it.

Social security. He wants to keep if for people over 25 and make optional for people under 25, its like hey, if you want to put money into a government savings account go for it, if not put it whenever you want.

What are all you worried about then? If the president has no power, then don't worry, nothing to worry about at all then. So why does it even matter who is president? Sounds like they can do nothing. Might as well just vote for Romney right? Cause the president can't do anything.

Government can be good, and government can be bad. Right now we have bad government. We need to give the power back to the people. We have not had a say in a long time. My whole lifetime, I have really never had a say how my government works or operates, that needs to change. I feel I was given this large pile of shit without me doing anything to create that pile of shit, so it's fucked I am forced into this governments that I did not create and have no say in how it operates. Sounds like the opposite of democracy, we are not living in a democracy, its a fascist corporate state ruled by rich bankers. Only one man is fighting to stop this. You name the guy. Free markets do not cause what we have now, government control and manipulation of the market causes what we have now. Wake up. I don't think any of us on this board has ever seen a truly free market with free trade.