More Ron Bashing

[Tiberius]

I don't see how that invalidates my point. I can find people who criticise Keynesian economics, that doesn't mean Keynesian economists don't exist.

[5thHorseman]

It dosn't invalidate your point, your point was good. It's more of a point that it ignores things that should not be ignored, mathematics and statistics.

[Bgood]

ron doesnt stand behind the constitution...he wants to gut it.

I have heard Paul say and many other people say that he is a strict constitutionalist. He refers to the founding fathers. He is a libertarian. So how does he plan on gutting the constitution when he wants to repeal the Patriot Act? Your statement makes no sense. He is the only candidate who actually supports the constition! Where in the world are you coming from with such a nonsensical statement? Are you drunk again?

As far as economics are concerned, it doesnt take a genius to understand that if we end the wars and save trillions of dollars doing so that it is going to help our economy. Spend less, have more. Pretty simple math, nomatter what you what to call it. The Federal Reserve is out of hand, just look at the deficit! Everthing I have ever heard come out of Ron Pauls mouth makes total sense. The establishment is afraid of him. I wouldn't be suprised if voter fraud and manipulation was being undertaken in many states to undermine his campaign. Why wouldnt they? Because that is immoral? doubt it. Because they can't? doubt it. I don't know all the details about Austrian economics, but it can't be any worse than our current American economics! We are in trillions of debt!

[Tiberius]

In that case, here are the criticisms of Keynesian economics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_e...Criticisms

[reverendjeremiah]

I don't see how that invalidates my point. I can find people who criticise Keynesian economics, that doesn't mean Keynesian economists don't exist.

It also doesnt mean that the current keynesian system isnt being taken advantage of either.

When you can rule out all other variables, such as misuse, corruption, etc...then, and only then, can you tell if it failed or not.

When you hear of "austrian school" you commonly hear that it has "predictive qualities", yet many money gurus who have suggested it to their clients have caused them to lose money. To top it off Austrian economists reject empirical statistical methods, natural experiments, and constructed experiments as tools applicable to economics, saying that while it is appropriate in the natural sciences where factors can be isolated in laboratory conditions, the actions of humans are too complex for such a treatment because humans are not passive and non-adaptive subjects. As Austrian economist Jeffrey Herbener has noted "there are no statistical characteristics to human behavior. It is purposeful rather than random, and changeable rather than constant".

So which one is it? Does it have accurate predictive powers or is it unpredictable?

[Whateverist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7X8WJdlq...detailpage


HERE IT IS, try to refute this with a good argument.

The screen title says a lot.

"Ron Paul, the only grown up in the GOP"

That's like bragging you're the most level headed person in the loony bin.

[reverendjeremiah]

Wow, perhaps you guys are right, maybe Ron Paul IS rascist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3EADdr-5...detailpage

Right, because Ron would be stupid as fuck if he stood up and said "I'm a racist." in front of a mixed audience.

Instead he talks to extremist race groups in front of confederate flags and wants to remove civil rights legislations and wants people to be able to put up whites only signs.

This has already been refuted on this thread.

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I have heard Paul say and many other people say that he is a strict constitutionalist. He refers to the founding fathers. He is a libertarian. So how does he plan on gutting the constitution when he wants to repeal the Patriot Act? Your statement makes no sense. He is the only candidate who actually supports the constition! Where in the world are you coming from with such a nonsensical statement? Are you drunk again?

i have posted all of the information on this SEVERAL pages back. I have produced tons and tons of evidence in Ron's own words.

It's settled for me. It's not my fault you have either ignored it or didnt pay attention. Feel free to scroll back a few pages to catch up on the discussion.

As far as economics are concerned, it doesnt take a genius to understand that if we end the wars and save trillions of dollars doing so that it is going to help our economy. Spend less, have more. Pretty simple math, nomatter what you what to call it. The Federal Reserve is out of hand, just look at the deficit! Everthing I have ever heard come out of Ron Pauls mouth makes total sense. The establishment is afraid of him. I wouldn't be suprised if voter fraud and manipulation was being undertaken in many states to undermine his campaign. Why wouldnt they? Because that is immoral? doubt it. Because they can't? doubt it. I don't know all the details about Austrian economics, but it can't be any worse than our current American economics! We are in trillions of debt!

The biggest reason we are in that big of a debt is that we are at war but handing out billions in tax relief to the rich.

Thats it.

If we stopped the war right now and set the rich back to 1950's level, or even 1970's level we would be in the black in no time.

[Bgood]

Why do you guys always suppose that Ron Paul is lying? I think you are heavily biased against the man. Give the old guy some credit for what he is doing and what he is up against. This guy seems like the most honest and trustworthy politician I have ever seen in my life! He has been consistent for 30 years and has a clean record, esp when compared with such fools as Gingrich. He might sound "radical" but so what? That's a good thing! You make these blanket racial judgements because he spoke in front of a confederate flag somewhere down south??? Just LOOK at him, LISTEN to the man! HE is not lying! Isn't it obvious?? It seems you nitpick over the tiniest details and overlook the grand scheme of things. Do you actually believe this man is evil and wants to destroy America?? He obviously has good intentions and speaks his fucking heart out! Yes, he is a human being, maybe he is not perfect on every single issue, but on all the most important ones, like foriegn policy and reviving the economy, he is correct. He offers solutions. Nobody else ever does, not even Obama! I respect many of you who disagree with me in your commitment to science and truth seeking. That IS a vital aspect in formulating wise opinions. Yet when I talk about such things as 911, for example, I am not just talking out of my ass with no empirical evidence. Just because someone claims to debunk a theory, that doesn't mean that it is the final say.For example, I'm sure there are many creationists who have debunked Darwinian evolution, and some of it may have partial truth, but that doesn't mean evolution has been fundamentally debunked by ANY means.

I am not trying to sound like a kook. I like to joke around and maybe I can become a little too harsh when I feel misrepresented and misunderstood, but all in all I truly believe that "atheists, agnostics, and the like" are at the intellectual forefront of human progress. I will try to be more open to the evidence that opposes my worldview, but in truth much of what I have read and seen thus far, at least concerning Paul and 911, I don't buy into it. It seems like justification, rationalization or a lawyer-like spin on the plainest of evidence. Just think, the government is not stupid, this is a cover, they have the BEST scientists, the BEST lawyers, the BEST propagandists, the most subversive spies and media personnel. They are our parenting God, in an omnipotent sense. this is reality, my friends. Although we may disagree, I still like all you naysayers.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7X8WJdlq...detailpage


HERE IT IS, try to refute this with a good argument.

The screen title says a lot.

"Ron Paul, the only grown up in the GOP"

That's like bragging you're the most level headed person in the loony bin.

You have to watch the video, and be inspired for a change.

[reverendjeremiah]

Why do you guys always suppose that Ron Paul is lying?

Could it be that he thinks the 1st amendment should be up to popular vote from the states?
no?
How about the fact that he wants to gut civil liberties yet calls himself a "libertarian"?
Still not enough for you?
He joined the Republican party yet still insists he is an independent and a "libertarian".
Still not enough?
How about him saying he wants to get big government out of our privacy yet he sponsered the marriage protection act?

I think you are heavily biased against the man.

And i think your motives are highly questionable that you support this man.

Give the old guy some credit for what he is doing and what he is up against.

Up against what? He joined the very war mongering party whose warlike ideals he preaches against.

This guy seems like the most honest and trustworthy politician I have ever seen in my life!

...and you seem like the most gullible voter I have ever met.

He has been consistent for 30 years and has a clean record, esp when compared with such fools as Gingrich.

Except when he HASNT been consistent, like how he says he defends personal liberty yet opposes a womans control over her body and productive rights. Or how he says he wants to get the government out of our bedrooms and our marriages but he sponsered the marriage protection act.

[Bgood]

Why do you guys always suppose that Ron Paul is lying?

Could it be that he thinks the 1st amendment should be up to popular vote from the states?
no?
How about the fact that he wants to gut civil liberties yet calls himself a "libertarian"?
Still not enough for you?
He joined the Republican party yet still insists he is an independent and a "libertarian".
Still not enough?
How about him saying he wants to get big government out of our privacy yet he sponsered the marriage protection act?

I think you are heavily biased against the man.

And i think your motives are highly questionable that you support this man.

Give the old guy some credit for what he is doing and what he is up against.

Up against what? He joined the very war mongering party whose warlike ideals he preaches against.

This guy seems like the most honest and trustworthy politician I have ever seen in my life!

...and you seem like the most gullible voter I have ever met.

He has been consistent for 30 years and has a clean record, esp when compared with such fools as Gingrich.

Except when he HASNT been consistent, like how he says he defends personal liberty yet opposes a womans control over her body and productive rights. Or how he says he wants to get the government out of our bedrooms and our marriages but he sponsered the marriage protection act.

This is exactly what I'm talking about! Lighten up on on the overly critical analysis! You are looking way too deep! You are so smart that you are overlooking the obvious. This 76 year old politician is not the ant-christ. Please understand that this man is legitamate. This is our children's future we are talking about. For me even as a selfish buddhist, this means my reincarnation into a NON-Orwelian state! LOL

I understand your position of defiance to an extent, but there is a place of agreement that I think is much more important to you and me and everyone in our great land of America. Dude, I was in the Air Force for 4 years, I have a degree in history and I am well read. Life IS precious, whether one believes in fucking God or not. I don't know what I can do as a small individual, but as a collective group, people make changes. We as atheists are individualists, like libertarians, but we need to coalesce and unite to bring about real improvement to bring us out of nihilistic thinking. It is always bigger than us, this is the true point of faith!