Santorum - Rightwing evangelicalism is the founding of our country

[5thHorseman]

He does have a point about nutty Christians, the Puritans came over from England, not because they were persecuted here, but so they could persecute people there.

He just wants to continue the tradition.

[Anomalocaris]

Santorium pleads with people to stop donating and going to college, as it turns people into liberal atheists.

Well he is probably right about knowledge turning people away from the idea of god.

The facts will do hat.

Of course he is correct that proper knowledge of the facts turns people away from LITERAL translations of the bible. If anything colleges tend to make people less evangleical instead of less religious. As far as colleges creating atheists, I doubt that... agnostic types maybe, but open atheists I doubt it.

Atheist is but an agnostic with a more incisive mind and a degree of consistent intellectual integrity. Let's hope our colleges still attempt to incocate incisiveness and moral integrity.

[RW_9]

Evangelical/non-denom/charismatic protestantism wasn't even invented until the 20th century. If all these modern american christians were to time travel back to their beloved ancestors and try to have a modern church service, they would be deemed heretics.

I would absolutely love to see a modern christian try to speak in tongues and get slain in the spirit around the Puritans. There would be another whole witch trial with hangings.

[Anomalocaris]

Evangelical/non-denom/charismatic protestantism wasn't even invented until the 20th century. If all these modern american christians were to time travel back to their beloved ancestors and try to have a modern church service, they would be deemed heretics.

I would absolutely love to see a modern christian try to speak in tongues and get slain in the spirit around the Puritans. There would be another whole witch trial with hangings.

Actually, evangelical christianity did date to before 1776, and had multiple origins in Europe, Britain and American colonies. Charlette Bronte satirized evengliscalism in the classic novel Jane Eyre in 1840s. Revivalist song and dancer ignorancefests had been a charateristic of American revivalism movements in 18th and 19th century.

Current form of chrismatic christianity, with its animistic primitivism, dates to early 20th century Los Angeles. Simon Winchester, in his book the A Crack in the Edge of the World: America and the Great California Earthquake of 1906 , makes the case that the roots of pentacostalism lies in the end-of-world panic amongst the very superstitious uneducated refuges from the San Francisco Earthquake.

[reverendjeremiah]

Santorium pleads with people to stop donating and going to college, as it turns people into liberal atheists.

Well he is probably right about knowledge turning people away from the idea of god.

The facts will do hat.

Of course he is correct that proper knowledge of the facts turns people away from LITERAL translations of the bible. If anything colleges tend to make people less evangleical instead of less religious. As far as colleges creating atheists, I doubt that... agnostic types maybe, but open atheists I doubt it.

Atheist is but an agnostic with a more incisive mind and a degree of consistent intellectual integrity. Let's hope our colleges still attempt to incocate incisiveness and moral integrity.

Sorry, but I dont differentiate between agnostic and atheist. I consider both to be the same thing.

[Anomalocaris]

Santorium pleads with people to stop donating and going to college, as it turns people into liberal atheists.

Well he is probably right about knowledge turning people away from the idea of god.

The facts will do hat.

Of course he is correct that proper knowledge of the facts turns people away from LITERAL translations of the bible. If anything colleges tend to make people less evangleical instead of less religious. As far as colleges creating atheists, I doubt that... agnostic types maybe, but open atheists I doubt it.

Atheist is but an agnostic with a more incisive mind and a degree of consistent intellectual integrity. Let's hope our colleges still attempt to incocate incisiveness and moral integrity.

Sorry, but I dont differentiate between agnostic and atheist. I consider both to be the same thing.

You took pains to differentiate themselves with the bolded part of the quote.

For me, agnostic is a person who can't make up his mind inspite of evidence, atheist is a person who can.

[reverendjeremiah]

Well he is probably right about knowledge turning people away from the idea of god.

The facts will do hat.

Of course he is correct that proper knowledge of the facts turns people away from LITERAL translations of the bible. If anything colleges tend to make people less evangleical instead of less religious. As far as colleges creating atheists, I doubt that... agnostic types maybe, but open atheists I doubt it.

Atheist is but an agnostic with a more incisive mind and a degree of consistent intellectual integrity. Let's hope our colleges still attempt to incocate incisiveness and moral integrity.

Sorry, but I dont differentiate between agnostic and atheist. I consider both to be the same thing.

You took pains to differentiate themselves with the bolded part of the quote.

For me, agnostic is a person who can't make up his mind inspite of evidence, atheist is a person who can.

Allow me to clarify. I personally dont see the difference in myself. I do see that other people claim a difference. That people who consider themselves "agnostics" tend to be a bit more sheepish about religion, and even then that isnt 100% accurate, as many people who considered themselves agnostic (such as Carl Sagan) spoke out strongly against religion. Atheists tend to be a bit more vocal, but even that isnt 100% true either.

I just personally dont care much for this type of differentiation. Thats why I say "agnostic TYPES"...meh, I just really dont see the need to seperate them.

When I am asked, I usually say "What religion am I? i dont have one. Im non-religious, atheist, agnostic, freethinker...whatever term you prefer to use. Im not picky"

I hope I cleared it up. Its a bit of a non-issue to me, but I know that freethinkers will get into hour long discussions over the differences that I find trivial at best between them. One is supposed to be more outspoken, the other more reserved, but even THEN that isnt written in stone either.

[RW_9]

Actually, evangelical christianity did date to before 1776, and had multiple origins in Europe, Britain and American colonies. Charlette Bronte satirized evengliscalism in the classic novel Jane Eyre in 1840s. Revivalist song and dancer ignorancefests had been a charateristic of American revivalism movements in 18th and 19th century.

Current form of chrismatic christianity, with its animistic primitivism, dates to early 20th century Los Angeles. Simon Winchester, in his book the A Crack in the Edge of the World: America and the Great California Earthquake of 1906 , makes the case that the roots of pentacostalism lies in the end-of-world panic amongst the very superstitious uneducated refuges from the San Francisco Earthquake.

We seem to be agreeing here, with what you refer to as the "animistic primitivism" being what I refer to as charismatic.

Edit: Adding clarification. When I refer to evangelicalism, it is the same thing as pentecostalism - I just avoid that term because there are literal denominations that use it. It is nearly impossible to differentiate between charismatic, evangelical, pentecostal, and non-denominational these days. They are all varying degrees of pentecostal.

[Ziploc Surprise]

Yet, part of me wishes what Santorum claimed about college was absolutely 100% true. It would be great if an institution so quickly switched ones belief from superstitious to reality affirming. Sadly, I dont have as much faith in the colleges to do so like santorum does.

The thing that really makes a difference is rational debate. If you can talk calmly with an intelligent Christian and you understand the basis of his religion, you can fairly easily get him to understand the flaws in his indoctrination. That is why Christian forums and churches will not allow open debate. If they did allow it there would be very few intelligent Christians.

Before you make the obvious joke, yes, there are plenty of intelligent Christians out there but few of them actually think that the bible is the inspired word of god, they just have an instinctive belief. That is absolutely fine by me, it's the ones who think that they know exactly what god wants them to do who are the problem Christians or Muslims or Jews etc.

Fundamentalist Christian forums exist. What I personally have not found are any churches that allow intellectual discussion of religion particularly that which involves doctrine or things that are controversial to Christian doctrine (like whether Jesus ever existed). Intellectuals live a lonely existence in the Fundy churches. Fundy Bible studies are little more than the same old doctrine with a different speaker. Sometimes they will add in Church approved additions to doctrine like Church approved beliefs of gender rolls (things like all women are ruled by their hormones, are susceptible to deception etc).

[leo-rcc]

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Nice, according to Santorum we kill 10% of our nations deaths are by euthanasia, half of those involuntary, and therefore our elderly go to hospitals abroad because they fear they might not come out alive due to budget cuts. Way to fact-check mr Santorum.