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Poll: Do you agree or disagree with the statement
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Strongly Agree
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5 17.86%
3 10.71%
8 28.57%
Strongly Disagree
10 35.71%
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An intresting statement
An intresting statement
'Religion must die for humanity to live'
Do you or do you not agree with this statement?
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
RE: An intresting statement
I disagreed. Clearly not true given that thousands of years of recorded history proving otherwise. Unless you meant it in some sort of poetical sense, rather than literally...
RE: An intresting statement
I strongly agree. Our biology has evolved to adapt and survive its conditions, our ideology needs to do the same. We need to cast aside the illogical and the irrational while embracing the human virtues we have come to admire. Religion was a barbaric, blunt instrument of control and still is today. It is a virus that infects and fundamentally retards the thinking processes of its victims allowing them to ignore facts, take leaps and commit malicious acts entirely outside their nature.
It should have no place in a civilized, moral and evolved society.
RE: An intresting statement
Humanity is alive right now, so the statement is demonstrably false.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
RE: An intresting statement
I agree in the sense that religion has outlived whatever usefulness it may have ever had and is now a serious detriment to our long term survival.

The sooner people grow up the better.
RE: An intresting statement
Perhaps a more specific statement would yield more accurate results?
RE: An intresting statement
(February 16, 2012 at 9:51 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: 'Religion must die for humanity to progress'

If this was the statement I would agree.
RE: An intresting statement
Is that a Bill Maher quote? I think he means that religion may be a threat to the future continuation of humanity. In order for it to grow, I think it means, religion must die.

RE: An intresting statement
I took humanity to mean the virtues and the essence of what it means to be human.
RE: An intresting statement
(February 16, 2012 at 9:51 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: 'Religion must die for humanity to live'
Do you or do you not agree with this statement?

I voted "Strongly Disagree" because it's not religion in general that is a problem. It's only certain religions that cause problems. Mainly the Abrahamic religions created by the ancient Hebrews with their jealous-God, that evolved into Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the myriad of protesting Protestantisms.

There are religions and spiritual philosophies that are actually based on wisdom and true compassion (not hateful jealousy).

It's not spirituality in general that is detrimental to humanity. It's just hateful jealousy being held out in the name of a wrathful God that is so dangerous and degrading to humanity.

As far as spirituality goes, there is absolutely no reason at all that humanity cannot evolved in a very healthy and productive way being highly successful in terms of scientific technologies whilst simultaneously becoming a very spiritual species supporting genuine love and compassion.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that science and knowledge cannot be in complete harmony with spiritual beliefs and inspiration.

I'm certainly an example of both. My entire life's work has been in the sciences, yet, I have always been a spiritual person. I don't support hateful religions like Christianity and Islam, but thankfully those aren't the only choices for a spiritual view of life.

Clearly many scientists also held a similar view as mine. In fact, I can claim great company in Albert Einstein for one.

"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." - Albert Einstein

Although, in truth, there are many different views and sects of "Buddhism".

I personally feel that a far better way of describing this is to say that there exist mystical philosophies that are indeed compatible with modern scientific knowledge. Maybe not necessarily "Buddhism" per say. But the basic fundamental believe in a spiritual essence of reality is not incompatible with scientific knowledge. Even though it may not qualify as becoming "scientific knowledge". That's totally irrelevant. It doesn't need to become "scientific knowledge" to be compatible with everything that is known by science. This is the thing that so many atheists seem to be missing.

So, no. Religion in general is not a detrimental to either humanity or science. Humanity can successfully be both, highly scientific and highly spiritual without conflict or detriment.

The only place that negativity comes into play is when specific religious myths demand the existence of jealous hateful Gods who will hate anyone who refuses to believe in them and worship the myths that gave rise to them.

Don't confuse spirituality with hateful myths. They are entirely different things.

Just because someone can stab someone with a knife doesn't mean that all knifes must be removed from humanity because all knives are detrimental to humanity.

The same is true of religion. Just because the Hebrews created a back-stabbing God doesn't mean that all concepts of religion or spirituality must carry that same hatred.

It just doesn't follow.

Address each religion on it's own merit. Don't toss the baby out with the bath water.

There do indeed exist genuinely wise, intelligent, loving, and truly compassionate forms of spiritual philosophies.

Murdering them just to kill an unrighteous hateful angry ficticious God is over-kill.

Just dump the Hebrew male-chauvinistic pigs and their false God.

That's all.

Why kill loving spiritual philosophies in the process?

It's just over-kill based on the paranoid fear that any given spiritual philosophy might become as hateful and ignorant as the Hebrew's jealous God fables.

That's just unnecessary paranoia.

Religion is not the problem. Ancient Hebrew fables are the problem.

Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!

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