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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 21, 2012 at 3:36 pm
I should have nothing to fear from a supposedly all-perfect all-righteous benevolent God.
Yet the Christians claim that this God is so dastardly and evil that he will harm me severely for merely not believing in him.
Christians are complete idiots.
That's all there is to it.
Their sense of moral righteousness is no better than Adolf Hitler's.
Christians are the most immoral people on Earth if only because the support such a hateful immoral Hitler-like God.
A God who casts people into a fiery furnace for merely not worshiping him.
The Christian God is an example of the purest evil that I can imagine.
It's nothing more than a vision of Hitler on cosmic steroids.
The Christians applaud and support these hateful immoral fables of the ancient male-chauvinistic Hebrew pigs as being representative of what they consider to be the ultimate concept of LOVE.
All this does is vividly show how Christians LOVE to HATE using ancient Hebrew ignorance to support their perverted notions of "love".
It's nothing more than a hate cult that uses a sick demonic God to spread hatred throughout the world toward anyone who refuses to join the cult.
And this is precisely why it has such as hateful unrighteous untrustworthy demonic God.
That's the only kind of God concept that can be used to support such intense hatred toward non-members of the cult.
How so many people can be so blinded by such hateful cult is beyond me.
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 22, 2012 at 12:56 am
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(February 21, 2012 at 8:32 am)Greatest I am Wrote: (February 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: You quoted Deut. 32:4, this verse defeats your whole premise, you should have stopped there and praised God, but no, you continued own without thought or even a plan. No verse you quoted said anything about God creating iniquity, the verse about Lucifer says that iniquity was found in him and yes it destroyed his perfection. God is perfect as you said and so no iniquity is found in Him, as you said God would not create iniquity, so He derives no pleasure from it.
So you believe that Satan is a co-creator with God and can develop new concepts while scriptures say that God created EVERYTING.
You give Satan a lot of power and dilute your God's.
You want your cake and eat it too.
Who created this?--------Not me says God. Ask G C, he’ll tell ya.
Scriptures say that Adam blamed Eve for eating and you have God blaming Satan for what God created.
Tsk tsk.
Regards
DL
You may be the most irresponsible person when it comes to understanding scripture. I had youth that could do a better job by the time they were out of diapers.
Satan created nothing, nor does he have the power to, the greatest power he has is deception, and has he ever fooled you.
Iniquity in this case is disobedience to God, something done, not created.
By the way what's your hesitation to answer my post?
(February 21, 2012 at 11:28 am)Freedom Wrote: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Isaiah 45:7 KJV
I've given an answer to that verse, go look it up. God did not create evil.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 22, 2012 at 1:07 am
Quote:I've given an answer to that verse, go look it up. God did not create evil.
Your answer has been rejected as being typical apologetic bullshit for those times when your angry god is an embarrassment to sensitive fundies like you.
Grow up, lad. Your god is a prick.
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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 22, 2012 at 3:25 am
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Your Ezekiel 28:15 verse is misleading. It is not speaking of God in that verse which you would know if you read verse 16.
And yes God created everything we see on earth, what does that have to do with him being evil and inequal?
What pleasure does he get from creating us? Well he feels accomplished and loved by us. Is this evil?
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
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O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 22, 2012 at 9:53 am
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Evil? Nah. Petty and altogether human, yes.
If "created humanity" is the capstone of this deity's resume...I wouldn't hire him, and I love us.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 22, 2012 at 11:22 am
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(February 22, 2012 at 3:25 am)chipan Wrote: What pleasure does he get from creating us? Well he feels accomplished and loved by us. Is this evil?
No, but killing children is, murder people for ANY reason is.
Condemning his wayward creations to an eternity of suffering and torment instead of maybe working together with them at the day of judgement and discovering WHY they went wayward and what the two of them can do to fix the problem, ~gasp~ God forbid seeing that maybe he had some part in it too....you know not being an immature unreasonable child and acting rashly but instead being a rational mature being.
Again as I said before, we as humans don't murder our children when they disobey, even when they become the worst of the worst, we never give up on them and would NEVER torture them for their mistakes.
Furthermore you can't expect to be loved by anyone if you threaten them (in this case with hell)....nor should you deserve to be loved if the love you offer walks hand in hand with threat. That's borderline domestic abuse.
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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 22, 2012 at 11:36 am
(February 22, 2012 at 11:22 am)LarissaAnn Wrote: (February 22, 2012 at 3:25 am)chipan Wrote: What pleasure does he get from creating us? Well he feels accomplished and loved by us. Is this evil?
No, but killing children is, murder people for ANY reason is.
Condemning his wayward creations to an eternity of suffering and torment instead of maybe working together with them at the day of judgement and discovering WHY they went wayward and what the two of them can do to fix the problem, ~gasp~ God forbid seeing that maybe he had some part in it too....you know not being an immature unreasonable child and acting rashly but instead being a rational mature being.
Again as I said before, we as humans don't murder our children when they disobey, even when they become the worst of the worst, we never give up on them and would NEVER torture them for their mistakes.
Furthermore you can't expect to be loved by anyone if you threaten them (in this case with hell)....nor should you deserve to be loved if loved walks hand in hand with threat. That's borderline domestic abuse.
You have such a misconception of God. He does not murder. God also does not torture anyone. In fact hell is not meant for torture but for separation of God. People may think it to be cruel but God is infinitely loving and infinitely righteous. Because of his righteousness, he must punish us for our sin and the wadges of sin is death, but he loved us so much he gave his son to die for us so that we may go to heaven and be with him. Those who don't accept Jesus must be punished according to his righteousness. He does not threaten anyone, he simply allows an informed decision by telling us what we deserve and how to redeem ourselves.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 22, 2012 at 3:28 pm
(February 22, 2012 at 1:07 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:I've given an answer to that verse, go look it up. God did not create evil.
Your answer has been rejected as being typical apologetic bullshit for those times when your angry god is an embarrassment to sensitive fundies like you.
Grow up, lad. Your god is a prick.
I saw no rejection of my explanation.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm
(February 22, 2012 at 11:36 am)chipan Wrote: You have such a misconception of God. He does not murder. God also does not torture anyone. In fact hell is not meant for torture but for separation of God. People may think it to be cruel but God is infinitely loving and infinitely righteous. Because of his righteousness, he must punish us for our sin and the wadges of sin is death, but he loved us so much he gave his son to die for us so that we may go to heaven and be with him. Those who don't accept Jesus must be punished according to his righteousness. He does not threaten anyone, he simply allows an informed decision by telling us what we deserve and how to redeem ourselves.
Actually no, there are no misconceptions, the bible tells it like it is.
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RE: God has all attributes including evil iniquity.
February 22, 2012 at 4:37 pm
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(February 22, 2012 at 11:36 am)chipan Wrote: You have such a misconception of God. He does not murder. Read your Bible. He's murdered more people than Satan.
Quote:God also does not torture anyone.
Read your Bible. He does.
Quote:In fact hell is not meant for torture but for separation of God.
Read your Bible. Its a place/state of eternal torment and suffering. Hell cannot logically be the punishment of segregation if we're ALREADY SEPARATED from God's presence on Earth.
Quote:People may think it to be cruel but God is infinitely loving and infinitely righteous.
Then he is nothing or at least does nothing. His opposing infinite benevolence and demand for justice cancel each other out.
Quote:the wages of sin is death,
Death is merely the termination of biological functions that sustain any given living organism such as you and me. Its not a 'fallen condition' its reality and entropy at work. Even if most life-forms had evolved without the inherent process of senescence, there are many other ways to die both natural and unnatural, its simply the inevitability of life to end.
Quote:but he loved us so much he gave his son to die for us so that we may go to heaven and be with him.
If you couldn't pay the Mafia boss the vig and he offered you a loophole that would involve killing his own son, would you honestly forfeit your humanity by coming to love, respect and adore him for providing such a detestable, sick and twisted scheme to save your own wretched skin? No, you would not.
Quote:Those who don't accept Jesus must be punished according to his righteousness. He does not threaten anyone, he simply allows an informed decision by telling us what we deserve and how to redeem ourselves.
That would be called a threat, yes.
Fuck you and your imaginary friend.
Don't like it? Well stop making threats then.
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