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Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Truthsurge just posted this video I wanted to share and discuss. Is this another drumbeat for another war?
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RE: Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Iran won't be like Iraq. Iran will actually fight back.
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RE: Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 5:27 pm
(March 7, 2012 at 5:26 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Iran won't be like Iraq. Iran will actually fight back.
Ah, yes, good point. A war with Iran will make Iraq look like Grenada. *shudder*
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RE: Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 5:37 pm
I don't know enough about the situation to say for sure that Iran is or isn't a threat, but what I do know is that our military leaders and media have lost all credibility when it comes to reporting on such matters. I also know that Iran's uranium enrichment plan is so painfully slow that it has taken them many years to get where they are, and they are still quite short of a nuclear weapon. So, I do not buy into the urgency of this matter.
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RE: Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 5:39 pm
They're far more likely to be bombing Israel than the US.
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RE: Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Iran attacking the US?
I'm not really sure that such a thing is possible. As a matter of fact, I think that Iran is the biggest bluff ever. Asides from that, I can see why America seeks to maybe attack Iran.
The US already has many allies from which it can secure it's oil: however, there are some from which it cannot really depend for oil, like, say, Iran.
Previously, Iraq...Iran was already the target of the CIA for it's oil in the past, as you know, the reinstating of the Shah, and with Iraq being supported in the war against Iran before...
But I think that a major war might erupt from a new Iraq-Iran war: this time, it will be a war, shia vs. sunni. As far as I'm concerned, the sunni insurgency in Iraq was both active against US/NATO targets, as much as it was against Iran/Shia targets. And secterian/ethnic tensions are once again on the rise in Iraq, not to mention in Syria(Another Shia-Sunni war is being silently waged in the country. Many of the secularist Sunni are also supporting the Shia Esad.).
In a case where Iran might step in favor of the Shia in Iraq, US will most certainly step in for the sunni side, even though they had supported the Shia while entering Iraq.
I know, to some of you, it might sound like bullshit, but I've seen a few maps that were resurfacing in the past, about a new middle east, which I found quite disturbing.
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RE: Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 5:49 pm
(March 7, 2012 at 5:37 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I don't know enough about the situation to say for sure that Iran is or isn't a threat, but what I do know is that our military leaders and media have lost all credibility when it comes to reporting on such matters. I also know that Iran's uranium enrichment plan is so painfully slow that it has taken them many years to get where they are, and they are still quite short of a nuclear weapon. So, I do not buy into the urgency of this matter.
They do have the capability to make AOD dirty bombs at the moment. However, I do not think they'd want to waste that advantage just yet.
Not to mention, the Israeli assasinations of super-valuble resources (i.e. Nuclear Physicists and Engineers) constantly keeps them behind. Fact that the Iranians lost a missile site, a Revolutionary Guard general who was all for ICBM capabilities, etc to a "mysterious" explosion makes me sleep better at night.
I agree with your analysis, and that this appears to be America attempting to muster the dutch courage to attack Iran, which will not end well economically for the US.
The only people who will be enriched by this is the 1% who own the Military-Industrial complex.
It is those people who will be responsible for crashing our economy and ending our super power status.
All because they need to make a fucking buck.
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RE: Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 5:58 pm
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(March 7, 2012 at 5:26 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Iran won't be like Iraq. Iran will actually fight back.
Well, I think it will be exactly like Iraq. I do not know how politically stable Iran will be in case of a war. I also doubt that the lot of Iran actually maintains a strong loyalty to their own country, very much like Iraq, where the US found allies rather quickly. This time, Israel will also lend it's hand, and all nations who do not want to risk the wrath of the US will blockade Iran.
HOWEVER;
I think that Russia and China will be major players in these events. Just like in Syria, they have their own man, not exactly their own man, but Iran is of mostly symbolic value to them. Just like Vietnam was for both sides during the cold war.
Losing Iran would mean that their word in this table of wolves is mostly worthless. I'm sure that in this regard, they will support Iran, with whatever they have, maybe even going as far as to battling the US.
Of course, it certainly will not go as far as that. I'm sure it will be settled in some other way, but Iran will not be attacked, of that I'm sure.
(March 7, 2012 at 5:49 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: (March 7, 2012 at 5:37 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I don't know enough about the situation to say for sure that Iran is or isn't a threat, but what I do know is that our military leaders and media have lost all credibility when it comes to reporting on such matters. I also know that Iran's uranium enrichment plan is so painfully slow that it has taken them many years to get where they are, and they are still quite short of a nuclear weapon. So, I do not buy into the urgency of this matter.
They do have the capability to make AOD dirty bombs at the moment. However, I do not think they'd want to waste that advantage just yet.
Not to mention, the Israeli assasinations of super-valuble resources (i.e. Nuclear Physicists and Engineers) constantly keeps them behind. Fact that the Iranians lost a missile site, a Revolutionary Guard general who was all for ICBM capabilities, etc to a "mysterious" explosion makes me sleep better at night.
I agree with your analysis, and that this appears to be America attempting to muster the dutch courage to attack Iran, which will not end well economically for the US.
The only people who will be enriched by this is the 1% who own the Military-Industrial complex.
It is those people who will be responsible for crashing our economy and ending our super power status.
All because they need to make a fucking buck. Well, how about the amount of oil that you might be getting out of it?
Not right away, maybe, but it certainly is in better hands after the US hands it to a US puppet.
Not that I'd not be happy with the end of your super-power status, but I'd not know who to put as a balance if you should drop out. Until we form Turan, it's best that the US stays put where it is on the international scales, but it's not up to me either. I think that the US won't lose it's super-power status even if it attacks Iran, as Iran is nothing in comparison with the US, should the US wage total war, and not just a "war of liberation" like it did in Iraq.
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RE: Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 6:08 pm
That's all we need is another war, because our other recent wars in the Middle East have gone so smoothly.
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RE: Another Iraq coming?
March 7, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Iraq can be seen as a very early and mild example of the oil wars to come.
A more cynical person might say it reflects innate US jingoism and its visceral need for an external enemy.
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