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No DHS necessary
#11
RE: No DHS necessary
You remind me of those gigantic socialist paintings of the comrades' march on the winterpalace and Mao's Long March, with raised fists and bayonetted rifles, and waving banners.
Ah! Those were the days!
Of bloodshed.
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#12
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 18, 2012 at 2:40 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: You remind me of those gigantic socialist paintings of the comrades' march on the winterpalace and Mao's Long March, with raised fists and bayonetted rifles, and waving banners.
Ah! Those were the days!
Of bloodshed.

Mao was a fool, like all communists. If you want to associate me with China, associate me with the nationalist Kuomintang. But in the way that I'm their enemy(but still no friend of the communist!).
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#13
RE: No DHS necessary
You extremists have more in common than you think. You call yourself a nationalist, they called themselves communists, but IRL the differences are merely cosmetic.
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#14
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 19, 2012 at 10:55 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: You extremists have more in common than you think. You call yourself a nationalist, they called themselves communists, but IRL the differences are merely cosmetic.

Cosmetic? The communist(and leftist en general) thinks outside the boundaries of language, culture and kindred.
That's why they fail, that's why their system doesn't work. The nationalist way of thinking brought forth the many nation states in today's world.
Nationalists think for the wellbeing of their nation. Communists claim to think for the wellbeing of humanity. But you can't really force the lot of humans on earth to get together. That is why they kill, maim and murder.
We do not force anyone to get together. We simply come together on our own accord, friend.
This is why we're called a "nation" and share a language, culture, ethnic name and lineage.

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#15
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 19, 2012 at 7:09 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(March 19, 2012 at 10:55 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: You extremists have more in common than you think. You call yourself a nationalist, they called themselves communists, but IRL the differences are merely cosmetic.

Cosmetic? The communist(and leftist en general) thinks outside the boundaries of language, culture and kindred.
That's why they fail, that's why their system doesn't work. The nationalist way of thinking brought forth the many nation states in today's world.

I wasn't talking about Wagnerian rhetoric and grand vistas, mehmet. That's all dramatic wishful thinking. Hogwash. BS for the foot soldiers.
I was talking about the real effects all extremist regimes inevitably have in common. The genocides, the elitism, the personality cults (proxies for religion; the adoration of Kemal Atatürk is uncomfortably, unhealthily close to that), the scapegoating and demonizing, the loss of personal freedom and free will of millions, the economic hardships. Etc. etc. Irrespective of – and irrelevant to – the colors of the banners they are perpetrated under.
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#16
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 19, 2012 at 7:48 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote:
(March 19, 2012 at 7:09 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(March 19, 2012 at 10:55 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: You extremists have more in common than you think. You call yourself a nationalist, they called themselves communists, but IRL the differences are merely cosmetic.

Cosmetic? The communist(and leftist en general) thinks outside the boundaries of language, culture and kindred.
That's why they fail, that's why their system doesn't work. The nationalist way of thinking brought forth the many nation states in today's world.

I wasn't talking about Wagnerian rhetoric and grand vistas, mehmet. That's all dramatic wishful thinking. Hogwash. BS for the foot soldiers.
I was talking about the real effects all extremist regimes inevitably have in common. The genocides, the elitism, the personality cults (proxies for religion), the scapegoating and demonizing, the loss of personal freedom and free will of millions, the economic hardships. Etc. etc. Irrespective of – and irrelevant to – the colors of the banners they are perpetrated under.
Well, again, you are incorrect.
We do not practice any of the above mentioned.
We are all for freedom. Freedom for our people, the freedom that has been witheld from us by the years of oppression under Soviet and Chinese rule, the years of oppression under American-backed governments, the years of economic dependency on the west, our technological dependence and slavery to the west and the newer yoke, that our politicians had been trying to put on us for years, the EU.

As you do not know what we Turks have went through, you simply assume that everything was fine, and we're the ones who are trying to take things for worse. We're trying to save ourselves from destruction.
We do not *scapegoat* nor demonize anyone. We simply point out, we blow the whistle towards the perpetrators, we show the real roots of social injustice, and the reason why our people have been ignored and put under the yoke by the real elitists, murderers and those who deprived -and still continue to deprive the multitudes of the unfortunate nations on earth.
Those are the ones who claim to be the champions of freedom, democracy and modern thought. They are no *nationalists* no, they are not even at the extremes of anything. This is why they are more dangerous than anyone else. Pragmatism knows no ideals, no boundaries, no real limits. This is why they do not give a damn about the people who die in Iraq or Afghanistan, they just cash in the profits without being at the extremes of anything.
We are nationalists, and we have opposed both the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan, we have opposed the evils that the Turkistanis had to endure in China, the oppression that the Tibetans had to endure, while the pragmatists have turned their heads, cashed in the profits, and did not give a damn.
Now, are we so evil for being nationalist Turks, who love our people?
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#17
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Drama queen.
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#18
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 19, 2012 at 8:02 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Drama queen.

You have nothing to add in opposition. This is why you come off with personal attacks. You know that nationalists have been there to oppose and punish the wrongdoer.
How did the multitudes of oppressed people on earth win their freedom?
Through nationalism. Not through waiting, sitting around, and waiting for things to happen. We take action, friend.
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#19
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OK, here you go:

(March 19, 2012 at 7:59 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, again, you are incorrect.
We do not practice any of the above mentioned.

Duh!
You're not in power now. Big Grin
But your brethren did practice them when they could, e.g. the Armenian genocide.

Quote:We are all for freedom. Freedom for our people,

At the expense if necessary of other peoples.

Quote:the freedom that has been witheld from us by the years of oppression under Soviet and Chinese rule, the years of oppression under American-backed governments, the years of economic dependency on the west, our technological dependence and slavery to the west and the newer yoke, that our politicians had been trying to put on us for years, the EU.

Quel misère.

Quote:As you do not know what we Turks have went through, you simply assume that everything was fine, and we're the ones who are trying to take things for worse. We're trying to save ourselves from destruction.

Ah, persecution complex, doctor.

But anyway, mehmet, you don't strike me as particularly under educated, underprivileged, or in the direst of straits so WTF are you whining about?

Quote:We do not *scapegoat* nor demonize anyone.

Except those who slight the Turkish nation.

Quote:We simply point out, we blow the whistle towards the perpetrators,

Do you even know the meaning of the words scapegoating and demonizing?

Quote:we show the real roots of social injustice, and the reason why our people have been ignored and put under the yoke by the real elitists, murderers and those who deprived -and still continue to deprive the multitudes of the unfortunate nations on earth.
Those are the ones who claim to be the champions of freedom, democracy and modern thought. They are no *nationalists* no, they are not even at the extremes of anything. This is why they are more dangerous than anyone else. Pragmatism knows no ideals, no boundaries, no real limits. This is why they do not give a damn about the people who die in Iraq or Afghanistan, they just cash in the profits without being at the extremes of anything.
We are nationalists, and we have opposed both the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan, we have opposed the evils that the Turkistanis had to endure in China, the oppression that the Tibetans had to endure, while the pragmatists have turned their heads, cashed in the profits, and did not give a damn.
Now, are we so evil for being nationalist Turks, who love our people?

You lifted that from some political speech of your Führer, didn't you! Admit it!
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#20
RE: No DHS necessary
Quote:Duh!
You're not in power now.
But your brethren did practice them when they could, e.g. the Armenian genocide.
Oh, did they?
And where did you get the idea that the ones that you blame for this so-called genocide were "nationalists" at all?
The same nationalists who have signed the treaty of Sevres, or were not around to fight when the real nationalists showed up to tear it to pieces?
They were Ottoman loyalists for the most part.
The real nationalists had taken part into the Turkish war of independence.
On the other hand, all of the armenians who had participated into the revolt against the Ottoman empire were... armenian nationalists, as one can't expect anything less.

Quote:Quel misère.
Well, what a humanist you are, friend.
As I said, I never expected the likes of you to be sympathetic to our plight, and when I explained that I never trust anyone outside of my own, people tell me I speak of genocide. Of course, should I trust the likes of you to be my brother? You only mock our people and what we have went through. We are all alone, and so we were always.
Quote:Ah, persecution complex, doctor.

But anyway, mehmet, you don't strike me as particularly under educated, underprivileged, or in the direst of straits so WTF are you whining about?
Persecution complex? There is no complex. Just look at the Turkmen in Iraq, the Azeris in Iran, the Usbeks and Turkmens in Afghanistan, the Turkestanis in Eastern Turkestan, and see that we are some of the most persecuted people on earth.

It is not about me. It is about my own kin who are suffering in these lands, under the yoke of the foreign.
I, thankfully, am of a family that earns somewhat well, but this is not for what I'm actually thankful. I'm thankful to live amongst my own kin, in a free, Turkish country.
I'd rather live as a poor man in the bosom of Turan, rather than a rich man in foreign lands.
Quote:Except those who slight the Turkish nation.
Well, why should not we call our enemies *our enemies*.
Is it incorrect to call your enemy who he is?
Is this in order to demonize your enemy, or to recognize him?
Quote:Do you even know the meaning of the words scapegoating and demonizing?
I certainly do. We only point out to our enemies, and show who they are.
Scapegoating and demonizing would be to show an innocent man or nation as the enemy, or as the perpetrator of a crime he/they did not commit.
We do not do such a thing.
We know who the perpetrators are, and we show them to our people, so they can recognize them aswell.
Quote:You lifted that from some political speech of your Führer, didn't you! Admit it!
Oh, now you're being funny, eh. I have nothing more to explain to you.
You go your way, I go mine!
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